[ramsman34]

Unless we win the SB or there is some kind of contract issue, Stafford will be back at QB next year. Past that???

[BobCarl]

the trade worked out for all parties

Yes.

The Rams Superbowl season was awesome to watch. I don't think it would have happened without Stafford at QB. Great chemistry with his Receivers.

I'm glad the trade happened.

The Lions current season is fun to watch. Great chemistry with his Receivers.

[/zn/]

Not to take anything away from Stafford, McVay, the Rams, et al. My best friend, a beyond die hard Lions/Stafford fan. We’ve gone to Lions/Rams game together, he’s watched the Rams win SBs while the Lions wasted away in purgatory. We both loved the trade and I still do. I thought Goff would be here 10 years. Goff found a coach that BELIEVED in HIM. McVay found a QB that believed in himself. Sometimes it’s just that simple.

I agree that the difference for Goff was finding a coach (Johnson) who knew how to build confidence. McVay didn't. In fact in the best article on the trade and Goff's final year, a former Rams coach (which from context clues looked to be Zac Taylor) said that McV knew how to tear JG down and not how to build him back up. McV may have learned his lesson from that--notice that Karty came out of his slump.

I defended Goff, but then I immediately defended the trade. I thought McV needed a seasoned qb. He was too impatient with a slumping one, and in fact I think McV lighting into Goff was a major part of the problem. Johnson in contrast built the offense around what Goff does well.

[ramsww]

I agree that the difference for Goff was finding a coach (Johnson) who knew how to build confidence. McVay didn't. In fact in the best article on the trade and Goff's final year, a former Rams coach (which from context clues looked to be Zac Taylor) said that McV knew how to tear JG down and not how to build him back up. McV may have learned his lesson from that--notice that Karty came out of his slump.

I defended Goff, but then I immediately defended the trade. I thought McV needed a seasoned qb. He was too impatient with a slumping one, and in fact I think McV lighting into Goff was a major part of the problem. Johnson in contrast built the offense around what Goff does well.

Agreed and Goff has to deliver which he has but the difference now is Stafford 1 - Goff Zero. If Goff wins a SB I’m sure we’ll be hearing the big mistake was letting him get away as Stafford retires. I thought it was a Win-Win. Still do.

[rams1974]

Mine is just one take among a hundred bajillionty but ..

Goff was being really inconsistent, when he was good he was really good, but when he was bad, he was really BAD. In particular .. "Our QB has to take better care of the football." McVay tried to coach him out of bad habits and ended up running out of patience.

Early Goff in Detroit was more of the same Derpy play IMO. I think Goff began to realize he was staring at the end of his career as a starting QB, and actually began putting effort in to fix things. In that respect I'm happy for him.

I could completely happy for him if he could lose this chip on his shoulder about McVay. He gets baited into it so easily, when the classier thing to say would be "you know, the trade, it worked out well for both teams, they're doing well, we're doing well, I'm happy where I am now."

But of course, because Goff is inherently not that bright, he's not able to show that level of maturity.

[AvengerRam]

In the past 25 years, 13 out of 32 teams have won a Super Bowl. Any trade that so clearly produces a championship is automatically a great trade.

So...

Great trade for the Rams.
Could end up being a great trade for the Lions.

[rams1974]

I just think it's a trap to get caught up in any conversation of who "won" or "lost" the trade. It's a media thing and they have never been super kind to the Rams IMO.

After the Rams won the SB it was clear there were many media people who felt like they had a stake in this conversation .. and have been pulling for the Bengals and Lions ever since. The narrative is that if one or both win a SB it will be that they did it the "right" way and thus long term did it better than the Rams. It really doesn't have much to do with the Lions or Bengals per se. If you care about media optics (I do more than I should), it's obvious. If you don't care, then it's all irrelevant.

It's kind of like 1999 all over again .. there were a lot of influential media people unhappy about that result and spent the next 5 years trying to minimize it, or look for ways to pretend it didn't happen (thank you SB36).

[/zn/]

Agreed and Goff has to deliver which he has but the difference now is Stafford 1 - Goff Zero. If Goff wins a SB I’m sure we’ll be hearing the big mistake was letting him get away as Stafford retires. I thought it was a Win-Win. Still do.

I agree it was win-win but I don't agree with everything you say there, fwiw.

Goff helped Detroit resurrect a team from nothing. I don't think it matters in terms of weighing the trade whether the Lions win a super bowl or not.

I see it as Rams 1, Lions 1.

In terms of the 2 players, both Goff and Stafford got better situations...while at the same time, both qbs contributed mightily to their new teams being resurrected.

[AvengerRam]

Can we do Jalen Ramsey at premium $$$ vs. Byron Young on rookie deal now?