[St. Loser Fan]

I guess I'd say they're not a two-football team town. You could probably put 5 MLB teams in Chicago (or St. Louis) and they'd thrive, though.

Actually Chicago could be a two NFL team town if the Bears go out to Hoffman Estates or Naperville.

[St. Loser Fan]

[Elvis]

It's easy to say NFL owners should pay for their own stadiums and there's a good argument to be made.

But on the other hand, there are a lot more cities than NFL teams, supply and demand is working in favor of the teams. We know there are some painful examples to the contrary but for the most part a pro team and its stadium becomes part of a city's identity and culture. A stadium can do a lot more than just host 10 NFL games a year.

So i think there are arguments to be made for both sides...

[St. Loser Fan]

It's easy to say NFL owners should pay for their own stadiums and there's a good argument to be made.

But on the other hand, there are a lot more cities than NFL teams, supply and demand is working in favor of the teams. We know there are some painful examples to the contrary but for the most part a pro team and its stadium becomes part of a city's identity and culture. A stadium can do a lot more than just host 10 NFL games a year.

So i think there are arguments to be made for both sides...

It depends on the city. SoFi/LA can get tons of extra events: but in mid sized cities they don’t have much draw for extra stuff at a stadium outside of the odd Coldplay or Beyoncé concert. 2 or 3 concerts is not a lot of extra stuff.

The problem is that when a city doesn’t give an owner everything they want they lose the team and get called all sorts of negative terms. St. Louis is a prime example while San Diego and Oakland are right there alongside.

At least the one justification is the Panthers stadium is also used 30ish days a year as their MLS soccer stadium. Otherwise Charlotte would have to spend $500 million+ on a separate soccer only venue.

[Elvis]

[St. Loser Fan]

The Rams don’t rotate against the Jaguars in the construction years. So no oddball games at Gainesville or Daytona.

EDIT: looks like that year without a home could involve up to 3 games in England.

[snackdaddy]

-We voted down the MLS stadium public funding and that ended getting built with 99% private money.

No, an NFL stadium using public money is not likely. But if private money can build a new MLS stadium, who knows? St Louis can support an NFL team. Look at the support for the Battlehawks. But it will take a lot of private money to make it happen.

[Elvis]

The Jags and Panthers got their money by not having a public referendum. But realistically, who's building a first class NFL stadium in Charlottesville with private money? That seems unlikely and if cities of that size want to be NFL cities, probably gonna take some public money to make it happen...

[St. Loser Fan]

The Jags and Panthers got their money by not having a public referendum. But realistically, who's building a first class NFL stadium in Charlottesville with private money? That seems unlikely and if cities of that size want to be NFL cities, probably gonna take some public money to make it happen...

Look at what happened in Kansas City. 3 time Super Bowl champs lost a public vote.

The question is are there any mid-sized cities that due to their state, county and/or city laws are required to put it to public vote? That might be one of the issues with the Browns as I think Cleveland law might requires a full public vote for any major improvements/a new stadium. So that's why they might move to the suburbs.