[bremillard]

I don't know what that is......

Are you saying, the bigger contracts you hand out to the OL gives you a better chance to succeed?

Or the more money you spend each year on OL gives you a better chance to succeed?

I say BS to both.....and the facts back it up..... so if that's gaslighting, I guess I'm guilty.

Like I said before, it could be worse. Instead of spending 14.7 mil on our O line this year, we could be the Colts (4-7-1). $38 mil for their 5 starters; #26 offense, #25 rushing, #24 yards/att, #18 passing, 43 sacks allowed (worst in the NFL).

You might actually try reading all of my words rather than just sitting on a few of them. I acknowledged that the Raiders spent a lot more on their O line than did the Rams with about the same results. Yes...there are other examples that are valid but if a player's or group of player's skill set is high the price tends to go up. There are no guarantees but price normally follows performance. Does the fact that the Rams pay their O line less than all but 3 teams mean everything? No. Does it mean something? Probably. Is this year a complete anomoly because of their player health carnage? Time will tell...but...probably. I am bitter because they dumped Woody. Right when they did that I was concerned they were weakening the team to save money and that was merely the first instance. No Ram fan
could possibly be satisfied with this season. Like most of us here I vent. Do my ramblings mean anything at all to the Rams hierarchy? To anything? No...but no less than anyone else here who are venting. Losing creates frustration. I may be frustrated in a slightly different way than you but we are all on the same "team". Let's try not to lose track of that.

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I am bitter because they dumped Woody. Right when they did that I was concerned they were weakening the team to save money and that was merely the first instance.

I didn't like the loss of Woods either. But the fact is, it wasn't a money move. They didn't save a dime. They wanted a more physical receiver at the catch point and the cap implications were exactly the same. What I think we fail to do as fans is fully understand the level of difficulty involved in managing a cap, both annually and for the long term....which is about 3 or 4 years. Injuries, particularly an unusual amount can totally screw things up. But there are smart guys running things, so I have no fear we won't recover quickly.

[Ramsdude]

They wanted a more physical receiver at the catch point

Is that right PA? I didn't know that. Was it mentioned in an article or something? I thought Woody was physical enough and there wasn't anything wrong with his catch point" IMO.

I was wondering if they didn't let him go because he was bitching about not getting the ball enough in 2021? He was pretty upset that he was getting targets early on.

In fact, early on this season was very similar to last year's start. (Not injury wise lol ) Most balls were going to Kupp. Stafford was locking onto Kupp again this year too.

I wonder if McVay has a zero tolerance for anyone who speaks out against him?

Anyway, IMO, Woody>ARob. I wish we could have worked it out with Woody. Did they ever say what they didn't like about Woody's "catch point"?

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Is that right PA? I didn't know that. Was it mentioned in an article or something? I thought Woody was physical enough and there wasn't anything wrong with his catch point" IMO.

I was wondering if they didn't let him go because he was bitching about not getting the ball enough in 2021? He was pretty upset that he was getting targets early on.

In fact, early on this season was very similar to last year's start. (Not injury wise lol ) Most balls were going to Kupp. Stafford was locking onto Kupp again this year too.

I wonder if McVay has a zero tolerance for anyone who speaks out against him?

Anyway, IMO, Woody>ARob. I wish we could have worked it out with Woody. Did they ever say what they didn't like about Woody's "catch point"?

Woods was a great blocker......probably one of the best, but I don't remember him as a winner of contested balls very often. Certainly not a strength of his. In fact, I don't think any of our WRs the last few years were adept at that.

No, I didn't hear that, other than speculation. But you bring up a good point about his targets. That seems vendictive on the part of management though and if that were it the case, why would they give him the choice of where to go, accepting what some said was lesser compensation? I would think, if they were pissed about his complaining, they would have taken the best offer, regardless of where that might send him.

Who really knows?

[rams1974]

I wonder if McVay has a zero tolerance for anyone who speaks out against him?

I don't think he has a problem with people disagreeing with him (and actually invites it). What he tolerates less is drama.

I'm reminded of an article about McVay that described a scene that IMO was LaFleur being a big drama queen on McVay, and McVay handling it brilliantly. It went something like, LaFleur and another coach were disagreeing, they took it to McVay, and McVay sided with the other guy. Later, LaFleur comes into McVay's office all pissy that he took the other guys side and said "you should just fire me right now!"

McVay said (paraphrased) "Yeah!! You know what?! You're right! Let's all just quit! Eff this! I hate what this job is doing to us!" And it must have been convincing because LaFleur reacted all "whoa, whoa, I didn't mean that!' That was McVay saying if you are going to act like a petulant toddler and throw a little tantrum, I'll treat you like one.

[Ramsdude]

I would think, if they were pissed about his complaining, they would have taken the best offer, regardless of where that might send him.

Who really knows?

Agreed on Woody and contested balls PA. It might not have been his strong suit but it didn't seem to matter the whole time he was here up to that point. Not sure why it would've become an "issue" other than him complaining.

Even though Woody complained I still think he was highly regarded so they might have gave him that chance to go where he wanted.

As you say, "Who really knows".

When Akers got pissy about the the O they went out of their way to "try" and unload him. Not sure if they gave Akers a chance to say where he "wanted" to go or not like Woody but it looked like nobody really wanted Akers regardless if Akers wanted them anyway. lol

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Agreed on Woody and contested balls PA. It might not have been his strong suit but it didn't seem to matter the whole time he was here up to that point. Not sure why it would've become an "issue" other than him complaining.

Even though Woody complained I still think he was highly regarded so they might have gave him that chance to go where he wanted.

As you say, "Who really knows".

When Akers got pissy about the the O they went out of their way to "try" and unload him. Not sure if they gave Akers a chance to say where he "wanted" to go or not like Woody but it looked like nobody really wanted Akers regardless if Akers wanted them anyway. lol

It could have become an issue because of changing styles. Stafford will throw it and let the WR go get it whereas Goff was more prone to throw it elsewhere or eat it.

Akers? I don't think he's been here long enough to worry about whether he approves of where they send him. But they do seem to take an odd interest in that.

[bremillard]

For the relatively short time they were together I thought Robert, Cooper, and Odell were to best receiver combination in the NFL. Maybe ever? Now all they have is Cooper. I am just left to wonder why.

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For the relatively short time they were together I thought Robert, Cooper, and Odell were to best receiver combination in the NFL. Maybe ever? Now all they have is Cooper. I am just left to wonder why.

Except Woods and OBJ never played together.

Ike, Torry, Az and Proehl were a pretty good group.

Why are you 'left to wonder'? Woods blew out his knee. OBJ blew out his knee and will go wherever the money is to be found. If he's only going to play from late December on, he needs to have games scheduled in mid and late January....if he's going to get a nice deal in 2023

Or perhaps you were thinking it was the team quitting on McVay? Or something else nefarious?

[Ramsdude]

It could have become an issue because of changing styles. Stafford will throw it and let the WR go get it whereas Goff was more prone to throw it elsewhere or eat it.

Akers? I don't think he's been here long enough to worry about whether he approves of where they send him. But they do seem to take an odd interest in that.

Good points PA. I didn't consider the "style" change that comes with a new QB. I think you might be correct. Woody's injury didn't help either.

I was a big Robert Woods fan and thought he was a huge part of our success for not only his catches but also his willingness and ability to do so much more.

I think him and Stafford would have become a good combo with time. At the very least, Woody was always "reliable". He would be where he was supposed to be every play and knew the playbook inside and out.

That one game after Woody "spoke up", Stafford seemed to connect with him just fine.

ARob might be a better at catching contested balls but I think Woody might have been the better WR overall.