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 by PARAM
2 years 7 months ago
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Barbados   Just far enough North of Philadelphia
Hall of Fame

Hacksaw wrote:The article doesn't just point at Coen. It does speak to the constant poaching every year and last year was bad. Some of the areas where the Rams are struggling are manned by new coaches. That was one of his points.
He also mentions the Oline as a culprit.
He never said Coach McV wasn't calling plays.

He merely questions about Coen.
I'm not defending his take. I'm not disagreeing entirely either.
Tough read overall.


But McVay has had turnover every year. Each and every year. A lot. It's not like he's had the same guys under him for years, guys he has become reliant upon. What's the longest any major assistant has been here? 2 years. I think that's a poor excuse. It's the injuries to the O line. Period. And that's all on him. But he'll (we'll) come out of this funk. Maybe even down the road this year, Who knows?

 by Hacksaw
2 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   AT THE BEACH
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Hope so. This current offense is a tough watch.

Now the D has to crank it up a notch or 2...

 by Hacksaw
2 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   AT THE BEACH
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Rams' offensive line ranked last in NFL by PFF through 9 weeks
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Cameron DaSilva
November 11, 2022 11:09 am PT
It’s hard to believe, but the Los Angeles Rams haven’t started the same five players on the offensive line in multiple games yet this season. We’re currently in Week 10.

There’s been an unfathomable amount of turnover and changes up front for the Rams this year, which started when Andrew Whitworth retired and Austin Corbett left in free agency. It hasn’t helped that all but one starter, Rob Havenstein, has missed at least one game this season, with two backups – Logan Bruss and Tremayne Anchrum Jr. – being ruled out for the year.

The result? The worst offensive line in the NFL. At least, that’s according to Pro Football Focus. PFF ranked every offensive line through nine weeks and the Rams have hit rock bottom at No. 32, down one spot from last week.

Bobby Evans gave up three sacks, six total pressures and a penalty against the Buccaneers in Week 9.
The Rams rank dead last in pass-blocking efficiency and have surrendered the third-most pressures in total.
Further changes are likely coming on the offensive line this week against Arizona. Coleman Shelton has been designated to return and could play on Sunday. Bobby Evans has been a weak link up front the last few weeks, and he’s likely to get benched – even if Shelton doesn’t return.

It’ll probably be the Rams’ ninth offensive line combination of the season, and probably not the last. They just hope this group is better than the one they’ve fielded up to this point.

:?

 by ramsman34
2 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   Back in LA baby!
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Hacksaw wrote:Rams' offensive line ranked last in NFL by PFF through 9 weeks
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Cameron DaSilva
November 11, 2022 11:09 am PT

:?


And this is why they don’t/can’t use tutu, why they take very few deep shots, and partly why they can’t run the ball. Teams load up against the run - but only using 6/7 in the box, take it away and force the Rams into know passing situations where they can get to the passer quickly with only 4 rushers. Until the rams can fire off the ball and knock the shit outta the DL, and actually run the ball, they will get no respect in the run game and will be stuck dink, dunk, and punt. Although, I would use Play Action a lot more on first down due to MCVs penchant for calling runs on first. Yet, It all starts with the run game, IMO.

 by max
2 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   Sarasota, FL
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PARAM wrote:Oh, I ain't going anywhere. Been watching the Rams every Sunday for the last 26 years. Seen a lot of losing there but I'm calloused to that. The SB wins negate everything. Prior to getting NFL ticket, it wasn't as easy. But been a fan forever and nothing can affect that.


I’ve been a diehard Rams fan since 1966. Lots of heartbreak over those 56 years, with 2 glorious ones. Never thought about it like this before, but that’s like a 96% disappointment rate.

Still, I’m here every week. And I’ve probably been doing it longer than 96% of Rams fans too. LOL.

Anyways, glad to see you here every week too, talking it up.

 by bremillard
2 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
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PARAM wrote:Absolutely. "Injuries" as in an OL here, a CB there, a WR or a RB, etc.. So in your theory that "good teams figure a way to show well around them", give me one example of a team that lost a different OL every week for the first 7 weeks.....or an OL every week for half that and "showed well". I can wait as long as it takes. See that's one of those bizarre theories or is it just an often used cliche? Either way
... :roll2:

The Rams have 9 players on injured reserve. You know how many teams have more? 14. Cowboys and Chargers have 12. Dallas lost their starting QB for 5 of their 6 wins. Injuries are a part of the NFL. Teams with depth overcome. Teams without depth make excuses.

 by Ramsdude
2 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   Pa.
Pro Bowl

bremillard wrote:Teams with depth overcome. Teams without depth make excuses.


Agreed but the problem is we got hit so hard all at once in one position group. The OL.

IMO, we "had" depth but due to all the OL injuries, even our "depth" is injured. I can't think of one team that has those same amount of OL injuries this year and is still winning games.

IMO, the OL is the most important position on offense and we got decimated there pretty quickly. It all happened so fast and in every game we seem to lose another OL.

Having won 3 games while all this is going on (and could've had 4-5 wins if certain bounces went our way) is pretty good.

 by PARAM
2 years 7 months ago
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Barbados   Just far enough North of Philadelphia
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Ramsdude wrote:Agreed but the problem is we got hit so hard all at once in one position group. The OL.

IMO, we "had" depth but due to all the OL injuries, even our "depth" is injured. I can't think of one team that has those same amount of OL injuries this year and is still winning games.

IMO, the OL is the most important position on offense and we got decimated there pretty quickly. It all happened so fast and in every game we seem to lose another OL.

Having won 3 games while all this is going on (and could've had 4-5 wins if certain bounces went our way) is pretty good.


But some guys don't want to hear that, especially when they want to use an old cliche.

 by CanuckRightWinger
2 years 7 months ago
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Canada   VANCOUVER, BC
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Sheesh, guys are using injuries as an excuse, others are going back to our SBXXXIV OL & their Draft pedigree versus today's OL....what's next, cold case file profilers going to check Dick Vermiel's OL DNAs??? :roll2:

This isn't that hard to analyse folks! :!2:
The Rams won SBLVI...barely....and I say that because we had some puck-luck along the way as Tartt dropped that sure pick, Cincy WR Boyd dropped his only pass of the year, on a First Down that wudda sunk us....
but hey, it's an uber competitive NFL League, so nobody expects winning the Lombardi to be a cakewalk....hell even our XXXIV SB win was by ONE SINGLE YARD!! :idea2:

.......and like ALL Rams Fans, I cherish both SB wins as well as our SBIV, SBXXXVI and SBLIII appearances....5 SB appearances out of 56 SB tournaments! Not bad!!! :idea2: :arrow2: 8-)

So, McSnead win a tight SBLVI victory, but then they lose their ProBowler-type LT Whitworth AND their solid RG Corbett.
QUESTION: What OL personnel do McSnead add to the 2022 RAM Roster to replace future HOFer Whitworth AND $27Mil UFA Corbett???
ANSWER: McSnead added pick #104 Logan Bruss. :shock2: That's it! :?
TRANSLATION: To replace two vet OL starters who just helped win SBLVI, McSnead added a Wisconsin Badger Rookie OG. :|

McSnead's In-House Talent OL Replacement Plan served up the following 2022 STARTING RAM OL:
LT Joe Noteboom, oft-injured Career BackUp OL w/17 NFL Starts picked #89 overall in 2018.
LG David Edwards, a 4th year LG starter, on Rookie Contract as 5th Rounder from 2019 Draft.
OC Brian Allen, oft-injured smaller OC, w/25 NFL Starts, who was pick #111 in 2018.
RG Coleman Shelton, a Career BackUp with 1 NFL Start2018 UDFA, on his 3rd Team as a Ram
RT Rob Havenstein, 2nd Round Fisher 2015 Pick, & a solid vet entering his 8th year w/Rams

The above 2022 RAM STARTING OL group served up the following vs Buffalo in the Opener:
7 QB Sacks, 16 QB HITS :shock2: leading Stafford to play DinknKunk 5.9 YPA football, 63.0 QB Rating, with 3 Picks.
Oh yeah, that group's stellar run-blocking served up 52 yards on 18 carries, 2.9 Yds/Carry :oops2:

Then after that ONE game, Allen gets hurt, and Noteboom gets banged up & is doubtful, so here was the SolidDepth 2022 Ram OL that McSnead had ready to go for Game 2 vs Falcons:
LT: Alaric Jackson, 2021 UDFA with ZERO NFL Starts
LG: David Edwards
OC: Coleman Shelton, 3rd NFL Start
RG: Tremayne Anchrum, ZERO NFL STARTS
RT: Rob Havenstein

Does anybody think that the above 2022 Ram OL looked ready for PrimeTime in the Opener? Does anybody think that the above 2022 Ram OL Depth revealed in Game 2, looked solid?

CONCLUSION: You cannot lose two solid OL vets like Whitworth & Corbett, and hope to replace them by a single rookie OG selection and in-house backups.
That was not a plan that was gonna end well, sportsfans!!! :|

McSnead rolled the dice on the 2022 OL.....and it came up snake-eyes. SAME AS 2019. :|

Here's an ugly thought:
Somebody elsewhere wrote that our 2023 #1 Draft Pick that we sent to Detroit for the (now shell-shocked) Stafford could end up being a higher pick than the Lion's own #1 next April. :shock2:

We're in last place in the NFC West.....and we don't own any of the tie-breakers. :roll2: :arrow2: :oops2:

 by ramsman34
2 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   Back in LA baby!
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Simply put, I think it goes waaaaay beyond the OL at this point. Yes, that is the hardest issue to correct. But there is something wrong systemically with this offense. Sure it’s tied pretty directly to the OL. And maybe you fix the OL and the offense is “back”. But I think it runs deeper. And the misfires in recent drafts are exacerbating the issues.

This is going to be a long rest of the season and a much longer off-season.

But 2021 SB Champs can’t be taken away.
Yet, it makes watching this shitshow in 2022 that much more gut wrenching.

But, watch we will.

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