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 by snackdaddy
3 years 4 months ago
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United States of America   Merced California
Hall of Fame

PARAM wrote:Dead on. And it's not like they have to say something about one team. They can say anything about either team and they get a reaction from fans. It's win-win for clicks or viewership.

Having said that, Warner picked against the Rams all through the postseason IIRC. That "it's just for entertainment, it's not personal" could be a convenient cover for "screw them, I hope they lose". Warner picked SF and said, "well I've gone against the Rams all postseason and they won, so I'm going to stay with that". Did anybody really buy that?

In production meetings, you'd have to believe the guys might have said, "Kurt you were a SB winning QB with the Rams. You pick them this week." Irvin goes for the Cowboys. Mariucci goes for the 49ers and Green Bay. McGinist goes for Brady or the Patriots. Strange Warner didn't take the Rams once....unless you buy that reverse psychology.


He did pick the Rams in the Superbowl. I'm guessing he drew the short straw. :lol2:

 by PARAM
3 years 4 months ago
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Barbados   Just far enough North of Philadelphia
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HopHead Ram wrote:The ProBowl and All Pro voting has always been a popularity contest and the narrative of MS going into this season was his numbers were padded because of who he played for. This season and especially his playoff run and Super Bowl performance completely changed what everybody thinks of MS. That old Lions narrative is dead. He is finally being seen for what he truly is, an elite QB. He puts up similar numbers from this point forward, he will make the PB every year and there is no reason to think he will not. I believe an MVP is in his future and I honestly feel 1 more ring will be on his figure before he finally hangs them up. That will be more than enough to get him to Canton.


I would say the Pro Bowl voting more than All Pro voting.

How in the hell did Kyler Murray make the Pro Bowl instead of Stafford? Seriously. I want to know how he was voted into the PB.

Over the first 8 games, the Cardinals were 7-1 and he was one of the "leading candidates" for MVP. 72.6% comp, 2276 yards; 17 TDs, 7 Int, 110.4 QB rating with 147 rushing yards on 49 carries. Sure he played lights out until the going got tough. He missed 3 games and then posted a 89.3 rating; 65.3%, 1511 yards, 7 TD and 3 Int over the last 6 games and his team was 2-4. He had 276 rushing yards on 39 carries. How is that better than Stafford? The rushing yards? Come on!!!

Perhaps the rationale was "he's extremely valuable! Look how he had his team at 7-1 when he was playing lights out and then look at their record when he played like shit for 6 games!!"

That's why "Pro Bowl" selections shouldn't even factor into HOF voting. Pro Bowls go to the guys who play on good teams, for the most part. Particularly QBs.

Warren Moon was elected in 2006. Never played in a Superbowl, let alone won any. 0 all pro selections and 9 Pro Bowl selections? That's enough? Don't get me wrong, I liked watching Moon and he was an awesome QB but no SB appearances didn't stop him from making it. He led the league in yards twice, completions 3 times, TDs once and INTs twice.

I grew up watching Sonny Jurgensen but back then, playing QB was completely different. There were no gaudy stats. Today's guys can schlep their way to 3500 yards. But in his time, SJ led the league in passing yards 5 times, TDs twice and completions 4 times. No MVPs. No SB appearances.

Stafford now has the SB trophy and just 1 Pro Bowl, though he deserved it this season.
67.2%, 4886 yards, 41 TDs, 17 Ints, 102.9 QB rating and three r.s. 4th quarter comebacks. Murray had one 4th quarter comeback and it's not like he didn't have the chances!!! Stafford has led the league once in completions.

I think he's going to play his way into the HOF over the next 4 or 5 years.

 by HopHead Ram
3 years 4 months ago
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United States of America   The Left Coast
Pro Bowl

I think the AP suffers from bias as well. Not to the same extent that the ProBowl does but I still question AP selections at times. I think the "stars" are given the benefit of the doubt all things being equal.

 by PARAM
3 years 4 months ago
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Barbados   Just far enough North of Philadelphia
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Get the popcorn......

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- When Aaron Rodgers returned to the Green Bay Packers last July from his offseason hiatus, both sides made it easier to separate this offseason based on adjustments to his contract. General manager Brian Gutekunst on Wednesday, however, said that he never promised Rodgers that he would trade him after the 2021 season.

So what will the Packers do if Rodgers decides he still wants to play in 2022 but not for Green Bay?

"Those are some hypotheticals that I don't think we're going to go down those roads right now," Gutekunst said during a news conference intended to preview next week's NFL scouting combine.

It has been widely believed that Rodgers and the Packers had a handshake agreement that if the reigning two-time MVP still wanted out after the 2021 season that they would trade him.

"That was not something I told him," Gutekunst, who has full control over all roster moves, said in a separate session Wednesday with writers who cover the team. "Again, I think the whole conversation with Aaron last season before he came back was that, regardless, at the end of this past season, that we would sit down as a group and we would work it out one way or another."


It's unlikely the Packers would play hardball and force Rodgers to play solely for them -- and they certainly won't release him and let him get away for free -- but Gutekunst said he is not tempted to take a haul of draft picks for Rodgers and/or receiver Davante Adams, who is scheduled to become a free agent next month.

"Because I think we've got as good a shot as anybody to win a Super Bowl next year," Gutekunst said when asked why he wouldn't trade him. "He's the MVP of the league. That's our goal. I think we have an opportunity to do it right now. That's why."

While Gutekunst said the Packers "kind of wasted that opportunity" as the No. 1 seed in the NFC, he wouldn't put the divisional round loss to the San Francisco 49ers on Rodgers' performance. Instead, the GM pointed at the inability of other facets of the team -- in this case special teams -- to pick up for a substandard performance by another unit.

It marked the second straight season that the Packers failed to make the Super Bowl as a No. 1 seed.


"We're disappointed that we didn't finish it off the last two years, but there's no reason to think we can't get right back there and knock on the door and get there," Gutekunst said. "So, yeah, I think we're full forward ahead."

On Tuesday, Rodgers told The Pat McAfee Show that he still has things to think about before making a decision about an 18th season. Gutekunst, offering no hints as to whether he knew which way Rodgers was leaning, said he thinks "we'll know here shortly" and that the team won't pressure him into making that decision.

"That not a question I can answer for you," Gutekunst said. "Obviously he's going through his process. I think the one thing that I know for sure is Aaron takes this stuff very seriously. His performance and what he brings to our football team on so many different levels, he puts a lot into that and he knows how much work it takes during the offseason to prepare himself to give to our team what he does. So I think he's going through his process right now to get himself ready to make sure he knows that he wants to do that because I don't think it's easy what he does to prepare for a season."

In the meantime, the Packers are in somewhat of a holding pattern while they wait.

"Obviously everything around here kind of centers on the quarterback," Gutekunst said. "It's a big piece and a domino that kind of has to fall before we go down the other avenues. So it's important as we go through this and the puzzle pieces we have to try to make fit. That's the first one to go."

They began the process of solving their salary-cap problem by restructuring the contract of defensive tackle Kenny Clark. The Packers created $10.892 million in cap space by converting part of Clark's salary and all of his roster bonus into a signing bonus and then adding voidable years, a source told ESPN's Field Yates. Even with that move, the Packers were still about $38 million over the cap for this season.

And that doesn't include Adams. The All-Pro receiver is a candidate for the franchise tag, which can be applied between now and March 8, but Gutekunst said he views that as a "last resort" and that both sides would prefer to get a long-term contract done.

Gutekunst also said the future of All-Pro outside linebacker Za'Darius Smith, who missed most of last season because of back surgery, is among the team's "tough choices to make as we move forward."

Smith has a salary-cap charge of $28.13 million -- second highest on the team to Rodgers.

Gutekunst is optimistic about the health of All-Pro left tackle David Bakhtiari, whose return from ACL surgery was complicated and eventually was stopped in the playoffs. "Long term, we feel really good about him as our left tackle," Gutekunst said.

Veteran kicker Mason Crosby, who missed nine field goals and two extra points last season but has one more year remaining on his contract, could still be in the Packers' plans, especially if Rodgers returns, Gutekunst said.

"For where our football team is, having a championship kind of kicker, a guy who can compete at that level, is important," Gutekunst said.

The Packers have two other kickers -- JJ Molson and the recently signed Dominik Eberle -- on the roster.


And some guys aren't held accountable. Maybe because they're MVP?


Three 3 and outs and one 57 yard drive, 8 of 13 for 55 yards (4.2 yds/att) in the 2nd half. Sure their special teams sucked but an MVP (at least in the voter's eyes) should be able to get more than 58 yards and 3 points in a half of football. After the blocked punt TD by SF, the Green Bay offense, led by Rodgers, generated -5 yards of offense in two possessions. But, hey, he didn't have any interceptions!!!!

Makes me appreciate Snead, McVay and Stafford even more....ten fold.

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