[St. Loser Fan]

blame snead all you want, but probably after the 3rd or 4th round, my money is on the scouts giving the most input... it's why they're there...

go rams

slo

But who hired those scouts? Unless they’re legacy, Snead.

[Elvis]

BUT....Let's look at Les Snead's 2018 Draft okay? GAMES means Games Appeared In, NOT Games Started per pro-football-reference.com:

2018 LOS ANGELES RAMS DRAFTEES
RD/#....RAMS PLAYER NAME.....GAMES....COMMENTS
3/89...JOE NOTEBOOM, OLINE...24...IMO, BOOM NEVER REPLACES LT WHIT
4/111...BRIAN ALLEN, INT.OL.....22...IMO, DUD/JAG CAREER BACKUP OC/OG
4/135...JOHN FRANKLIN-MYERS..16..CUT IN 2019, NOW A NY JET DL JAG
5/147...MICAH KISER, ILB.........21...ASSISTANT LIFEGUARD @ REGGIE POOL
5/160.. OBO OKORONKWO, ER/OLB..15...HEAD LIFEGUARD @ REGGIE POOL
6/176...JOHN KELLY, RB.....8...JAG CUT IN 2020 FOR UDFA SMU RB XAVIER JONES
6/192...JAMIL DEMBY, OL...6...A BONA FIDE JAG SO FAR. KROMER'S PET.
6/195...SEBASTIEN JOSEPH, NT..22..THE PICK-OF-THE-LITTER IN THIS POOR RAM DRAFT!
6/205...TREVON YOUNG...2 GAMES ...GONZO FROM NFL NOW SELLING USED SATURNS
7/231...TRAVIN HOWARD...16...ILB WITH SOME UPSIDE, BUT ALSO A REGGIE POOL RESIDENT
7/244...JUSTIN LAWLER...16...OLB/DE WITH SOME EARLY PROMISE, CUT IN 2020 (OR was Lawler IR'd by Rams quietly??)

So, Les Snead's 2018 Draft was not as bad as the Scotty Flounder Linehan 2006 Tye Hill/Joe Flopenstein/Claude Wroten, Dominque Jail-Byrd Draft...

er, maybe

...because for total Rams games actually appeared in ....um, Linehan's group of Rams 2006 Rams Draft JAGs might actually have the upper hand!!

So....I'm not saying that Les Snead is a bad drafter (cough, Brian Quick, Isaiah Pead....cough-cough Bobby Wagner miss).....BUT...

logically, just looking at Snead's 2018 Draft, other than a Rotational NT in Sebastien Joseph-Day.....um, WHAT exactly have Los Ramos gained from that 2018 Draft haul huh?
ME: Not too much!!!

Okay now.....discuss amongst yourselves!!!

Where we at with this?

[Gareth]

Where we at with this?

A Super Bowl championship

[Drew31]

Where we at with this?

Shady.... But true. As it stands this draft yielded: potential future LT, a pro-bowl alternate OC, a starting and really good DL in Seabass, potential starting ILB in Howard and useful OLB rotation in Obo. That is 5 picks that are making a significant contribution outta 11....all of which done with only 1 3rd rounder and rest later picks. That is truly excellent work.

The only miss was letting Franklin Myers go, but we have drafted well to replace....but they had the eye for his talent clearly.

Considering the Rams model of trading for established stars they really need to be hitting depth and development prospects, which they seem to so far. Long may that continue!

[snackdaddy]

Hindsight is awesome. I doubt any team has ever hit 100 percent of their picks in a given year. Even harder when your first one is a late 3rd.

The Rams roster is top heavy with role players filling out the rest of it. Noteboom has shown he is capable of holding his won at left tackle. Sure looks like he's better suited for tackle than guard.

With a full season Brian Allen wasn't the liability we thought he would be. SJD and Howard have been decent role players. After Allen and Noteboom the rest were 5th round and lower. It ain't easy to find quality starters there.

[safer]

For all the crap Allen has taken, I thought he played better than our OG's did. Edwards, IMHO, is too tall inside and loses leverage when he has to go against power DT's. Corbett needs to get stronger. I think they are a major reason why the 9er's had (notice I said it in past tense ) dominated us inside.
Allen, for his not being ideally athletically gifted, (and being shorter) does a pretty good job of staying in front of his man when pass blocking. Yeah, none of these three will be all-pro, but I'm hoping Anchrum will start at one of our OG spots this year. Obviously, McSnead totally screwed up by not taking Creed in the 2nd (duh!!)

[CanuckRightWinger]

I will start off by agreeing with safer, along with hordes of other Rams fans, that not selecting 2021 Offensive Rookie of the Year Creed Humphrey at #57 was a McSnead screw-up.

Sheesh, I see that my recent post questioning why Wes Phillips had the talented Mr. Hopkins mired as a 4th Stringer....
which later led to my correcting a misquote from "the Ram TE Room black mark" (unsaid by me) to my stated view of "something smells fishy in Wes Phillips TE Room"...
well, clearly these little barbs can be cause for guys to dig up my old posts from years past, eh.

Hey....if guys have idle time available to refloat old Canuckisms...
here's another gem for you from only last Spring.....IE.I do confess to making fun of Les Snead's OVERSIZED reading-glasses back during the 2021 Draft.
Spoiler Alert: I called them Hansen Brothers Glasses (from the hockey movie SLAPSHOT).

Back to my post mortem thread on the 2018 Draft, which was posted a year or so ago....

I am a big Les Snead fan overall, calling him DonKlostermanClone often, which to my way of thinking is a big compliment...BUT,

I am not shy about pointing out Snead's past screw-ups....EG.
-Brian Quick at #33 overall
-the Bobby Wagner Flubb that haunted us for over a decade
-this latest #57 fumble on Creed Humphrey.....

and yes!....the paltry yield of Les Snead's 2018 Draft.....big crop of 11 guys, yet very few 2018-21 games started by said 11 guys in total for Los Ramos.....
or break it down by snaps played (if you want to research it) by the 2018 Eleven over the 4 seasons, 2018, 2019, 2020 & 2021......and you'll see that Mr. Kroenke didn't get a huge return of his 11 investments.

Our two top 2018 picks Joe Noteboom (#89) and Brian Allen (#111) both red-shirted in 2018 and started the 2019 Season for us....McVay's only NonPlayoff year. Guys like me blamed poor Ram OL play for missing the Playoffs. Other guys went with Gurley's knee, Zuerlien's Seattle miss, Rapp's 3&19 SF gaffes....whatever. I went with Whit's post 2019 Season interview with Cowherd when he said on air "it was unreasonable in 2019 to expect those two young players (Noteboom&Allen) to perform at the level of vets Saffold and Sullivan."

Anyhoo...both Boom and Allen got IR'd about halfway thru that 2019 season...and with their other future collective injury time off/back-up status...
I'd estimate we got about 1 Full Season of games started from Noteboom's 4 Ram Roster years, and about 1.5 seasons of GS from Allen's tenure as a Ram.

After those two Top 2018 Picks you had alot of guys unproductive to Rams 2018-21 fortunes due to injury or being cut:
135 Jonathan Franklin-Myers
147 Micah Kiser
160 Obo
176 John Kelly
192 Jamil Demby
205 Travon Young
231 Travin Howard
244 Justin Lawler

Now guys will say that Obo and Travin Howard were effective role players for us this year........and I agree.
So whilst Obo and Howard's resurrection from IR and their recent flashes have been commendable.... um...
But Mr. Kroenke's investment AND LOS RAMOS COACHING EXPECTATIONS from the above assets of Obo and Howard (and all the Eleven) have been for over the past FOUR years, no?

Finally from the outset, of course, I listed Sebastien Joseph-Day as the pick-of-the-litter for Snead's 2018 Draft, and I hope Los Ramos find a shrewd Salary Cap way to keep the Rutgers stud for 2022 and beyond.

Obviously following The Horns for all fans.....it's an emotional attachment IMO.
We all love our Rams....me included.
It's a subjective decision to loyally follow a team through thick and thin.....I get that.

BUT, that doesn't mean we have to 100% jettison our objectivity and the ability to ask questions when we notice inconsistencies, errors or omissions...
at least that's the way I look at it.....IE. Questioning things is NOT a vice!!!

Just curious.....how much do you guys think that Joe Noteboom is worth paying as our LT of the future? Or even a more basic question.....is Joe Noteboom best qualified to be the Ram starter who protects Matthew OurFranchiseQB Stafford's blindside?
....and regarding Brian TampaHikeToNowhere! Allen.....I do not see a ProBowl Alternate calibre OC with #55.....sorry. He got pushed around in SBLVI. I hope he goes away in Free Agency and yeilds us a Comp Pick.

As always, JMO.

[PARAM]

I don't know what's going to happen at LT but Noteboom has collected a tick shy of 3.6 mil for 4 years with the Rams. I don't think we overpaid, particularly with the game he played in Tampa vs. JPP. But for his 4 year career, he started 6 games in 2019 (the Rams were 3-3), 9 games in 2020, 7 of them when Whit was injured (the Rams were 6-3 in those), 2 reg season games this year (Houston & Arizona, both wins) and that one big start in Tampa. 3.6 mil for 17 regular seasons starts (11-6) and 1 huge postseason starts (1-0), I'd say Kroenke got his money's worth. In fact he may have got a deal!!

Allen made even less. 3.4 mil for 4 years. He started 15 games this year and 4 in the postseason. Money's worth, I'd say. But that's the thing about players drafted in the 3rd round or lower. You don't need a huge return because the money's not there. But if you do get a good return....a 12-5 season and SB Championship with the guy starting all but 2 games, you gotta say that was worth 3.4 mi.

One guy from that 2018 draft I hope the Rams keep is Travin Howard. I rewatched a couple of the postseason games and he was all over the place. The guy is quick, can cover and can tackle. That's a 7th round LB friends. He made 1.8 mil and damn near earned that in the postseason. 30 snaps vs Arizona, 57 snaps against Tampa and 24 against SF...including that pick that sealed it. He didn't play any defensive snaps in the SB because Jones was back but this kid is a keeper.

I think Obo might be gone if they re-sign Miller. Either him or TLew or both. I like the Garrett kid who had a helluva preseason this year. A little more weight and he could be an up and comer.

But the 2018 draft started in the 3rd round and we took 11 guys. That's called quantity hoping for some quality. IMHO, they got it. At a cheap price.

[Elvis]

I will start off by agreeing with safer, along with hordes of other Rams fans, that not selecting 2021 Offensive Rookie of the Year Creed Humphrey at #57 was a McSnead screw-up.

There you go again. I'd say it's too soon to call, just like your call on the 2018 draft.

Sheesh, I see that my recent post questioning why Wes Phillips had the talented Mr. Hopkins mired as a 4th Stringer....
which later led to my correcting a misquote from "the Ram TE Room black mark" (unsaid by me) to my stated view of "something smells fishy in Wes Phillips TE Room"...
well, clearly these little barbs can be cause for guys to dig up my old posts from years past, eh.

Nothing personal, just a bad take by you IMO.

But Mr. Kroenke's investment AND LOS RAMOS COACHING EXPECTATIONS from the above assets of Obo and Howard (and all the Eleven) have been for over the past FOUR years, no?

Kroenke looks pretty satisfied with the return on his investments to me:

[CanuckRightWinger]

Yeah....one can just read Stan Kroenke's thoughts, gazing at the Lombardi, as he's thinking:

"Yeah.....without Micah Kiser, we would never have ever got here!!!