by Hacksaw 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #11 Dick84 wrote:Hacksaw wrote:Will LA provide the increased value he hopes for considering his team will be the Rams baby sister anyway? Does a $550M relocation fee make sense to him? At first blush I'd think not.It does. That's why they're shooting for downtown, which is a longshot.So his franchise doubles to $2.5M from $1.25 . 1/2 that is gone from relocation fees so the bp net is around $750K .. I'd do it for me but he does have other options I don't. OK,, it's more complex than that,,, it's financed over 5 years. I don't know but he as a half century of fan-base in San Diego. The shield could more easily stomach the restoration of the Rams in LA, but the Chargers would still even rank #2 between the Raiders and themselves in LA. Not a good fit. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by moklerman 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #12 I'm still skeptical of that Clippers sale as "real". I don't think the Chargers would experience the same kind of "value". Especially considering they wouldn't actually be selling the team and they wouldn't have a stadium of their own.I think they'd be much better off staying in SD and building a stadium downtown. by Elvis 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 41553 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #13 TOPIC AUTHOR http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2016/2/ ... um-choicesThe San Diego Chargers' Stadium ChoicesBy John GennaroThe way I see it, Dean Spanos and the San Diego Chargers have three potential paths in front of them. I'm here to lay out what those paths are (or were?).OPTION A: Inglewood Mega-StadiumIf the Chargers want to partner up with the Los Angeles Rams, they can either be the tenant of Stan Kroenke or a partner in the stadium project (but not the overall site project). Their choice will decide their investment, and their investment will decide how much cash they can make from the deal.Call me a fool if you want, but I don't think the Chargers want any part of this partnership. It's not my "Option A" because it is the team's top option, I just decided to write about it first.As I said on this podcast earlier this week, there is a lot of risk associated with the team leaving San Diego because they have to bet on the fact that the NFL will never decrease in popularity/value. We already know the Spanos family is risk-averse, so I think they want to avoid this one.OPTION B: Downtown ConvadiumAfter months of smart people saying so, the Chargers themselves came out and said it: They want a downtown stadium. They want to build something big and important and special. They don't want another Qualcomm Stadium, they want something that stands out even while being next door to one of the nicest baseball stadiums in the country.We'll see in a little less than a month how the team plans on paying for this plan. Until then, we should probably reserve judgement.Oh, and yes....the traffic would be terrible and the parking would suck for a while. Then downtown would grow and adjust, public transportation would expand, and parking garages would spurt up all around the stadium (because of capitalism). It's not as if traffic in Mission Valley is fantastic before/after a Chargers game.OPTION C: Mission ValleyAs Jeff pointed out earlier today, the Chargers ran the numbers and figured that they needed an extra $200m on top of what the City and County had offered to make this plan financially-viable. What they would pay with the extra money is roughly the equivalent to what they paid towards PETCO Park when you factor in inflation.The Mayor turned down the Chargers offer, leading to the team to focus their efforts on the Downtown Convadium. That leaves the Mission Valley project dead in the water.What's Left?Obviously, if the only choices left are downtown San Diego or Inglewood, the local politicians should be trying to find a solution that works in downtown San Diego....right?Well, yes, but that's not what they're doing.Instead, Mayor Faulconer and County Supervisor Ron Roberts have made their intentions clear. They intend to stand in the way of a downtown convadium, and will actually be working to kill the project with a vote in May for contiguous expansion of the San Diego Convention Center.Spanos accepted the Mayor's Mission Valley offer, with terms renegotiated to one that was more fair to the team. The Mayor said no.Spanos turned his attention towards the last viable plan for a stadium in San Diego. The Mayor stood in his way, working to kill the project.When Inglewood is the team's only remaining option, will it be possible to blame anyone except San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer? RFU Season Ticket Holder by bubbaramfan 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 1119 Joined: Apr 30 2015 Carson Landfill Pro Bowl Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #14 Plan "D", year to year at Qual-Comm by Elvis 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 41553 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #15 TOPIC AUTHOR moklerman wrote:I'm still skeptical of that Clippers sale as "real". I don't think the Chargers would experience the same kind of "value". Especially considering they wouldn't actually be selling the team and they wouldn't have a stadium of their own.I think they'd be much better off staying in SD and building a stadium downtown.Hard to say for sure but the Clippers are tenants at Staples.I think the Chargers are better off in SD but i'm not sure that's true if you're going solely by franchise value... 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by moklerman 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #12 I'm still skeptical of that Clippers sale as "real". I don't think the Chargers would experience the same kind of "value". Especially considering they wouldn't actually be selling the team and they wouldn't have a stadium of their own.I think they'd be much better off staying in SD and building a stadium downtown. by Elvis 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 41553 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #13 TOPIC AUTHOR http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2016/2/ ... um-choicesThe San Diego Chargers' Stadium ChoicesBy John GennaroThe way I see it, Dean Spanos and the San Diego Chargers have three potential paths in front of them. I'm here to lay out what those paths are (or were?).OPTION A: Inglewood Mega-StadiumIf the Chargers want to partner up with the Los Angeles Rams, they can either be the tenant of Stan Kroenke or a partner in the stadium project (but not the overall site project). Their choice will decide their investment, and their investment will decide how much cash they can make from the deal.Call me a fool if you want, but I don't think the Chargers want any part of this partnership. It's not my "Option A" because it is the team's top option, I just decided to write about it first.As I said on this podcast earlier this week, there is a lot of risk associated with the team leaving San Diego because they have to bet on the fact that the NFL will never decrease in popularity/value. We already know the Spanos family is risk-averse, so I think they want to avoid this one.OPTION B: Downtown ConvadiumAfter months of smart people saying so, the Chargers themselves came out and said it: They want a downtown stadium. They want to build something big and important and special. They don't want another Qualcomm Stadium, they want something that stands out even while being next door to one of the nicest baseball stadiums in the country.We'll see in a little less than a month how the team plans on paying for this plan. Until then, we should probably reserve judgement.Oh, and yes....the traffic would be terrible and the parking would suck for a while. Then downtown would grow and adjust, public transportation would expand, and parking garages would spurt up all around the stadium (because of capitalism). It's not as if traffic in Mission Valley is fantastic before/after a Chargers game.OPTION C: Mission ValleyAs Jeff pointed out earlier today, the Chargers ran the numbers and figured that they needed an extra $200m on top of what the City and County had offered to make this plan financially-viable. What they would pay with the extra money is roughly the equivalent to what they paid towards PETCO Park when you factor in inflation.The Mayor turned down the Chargers offer, leading to the team to focus their efforts on the Downtown Convadium. That leaves the Mission Valley project dead in the water.What's Left?Obviously, if the only choices left are downtown San Diego or Inglewood, the local politicians should be trying to find a solution that works in downtown San Diego....right?Well, yes, but that's not what they're doing.Instead, Mayor Faulconer and County Supervisor Ron Roberts have made their intentions clear. They intend to stand in the way of a downtown convadium, and will actually be working to kill the project with a vote in May for contiguous expansion of the San Diego Convention Center.Spanos accepted the Mayor's Mission Valley offer, with terms renegotiated to one that was more fair to the team. The Mayor said no.Spanos turned his attention towards the last viable plan for a stadium in San Diego. The Mayor stood in his way, working to kill the project.When Inglewood is the team's only remaining option, will it be possible to blame anyone except San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer? RFU Season Ticket Holder by bubbaramfan 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 1119 Joined: Apr 30 2015 Carson Landfill Pro Bowl Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #14 Plan "D", year to year at Qual-Comm by Elvis 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 41553 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #15 TOPIC AUTHOR moklerman wrote:I'm still skeptical of that Clippers sale as "real". I don't think the Chargers would experience the same kind of "value". Especially considering they wouldn't actually be selling the team and they wouldn't have a stadium of their own.I think they'd be much better off staying in SD and building a stadium downtown.Hard to say for sure but the Clippers are tenants at Staples.I think the Chargers are better off in SD but i'm not sure that's true if you're going solely by franchise value... 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by Elvis 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 41553 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #13 TOPIC AUTHOR http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2016/2/ ... um-choicesThe San Diego Chargers' Stadium ChoicesBy John GennaroThe way I see it, Dean Spanos and the San Diego Chargers have three potential paths in front of them. I'm here to lay out what those paths are (or were?).OPTION A: Inglewood Mega-StadiumIf the Chargers want to partner up with the Los Angeles Rams, they can either be the tenant of Stan Kroenke or a partner in the stadium project (but not the overall site project). Their choice will decide their investment, and their investment will decide how much cash they can make from the deal.Call me a fool if you want, but I don't think the Chargers want any part of this partnership. It's not my "Option A" because it is the team's top option, I just decided to write about it first.As I said on this podcast earlier this week, there is a lot of risk associated with the team leaving San Diego because they have to bet on the fact that the NFL will never decrease in popularity/value. We already know the Spanos family is risk-averse, so I think they want to avoid this one.OPTION B: Downtown ConvadiumAfter months of smart people saying so, the Chargers themselves came out and said it: They want a downtown stadium. They want to build something big and important and special. They don't want another Qualcomm Stadium, they want something that stands out even while being next door to one of the nicest baseball stadiums in the country.We'll see in a little less than a month how the team plans on paying for this plan. Until then, we should probably reserve judgement.Oh, and yes....the traffic would be terrible and the parking would suck for a while. Then downtown would grow and adjust, public transportation would expand, and parking garages would spurt up all around the stadium (because of capitalism). It's not as if traffic in Mission Valley is fantastic before/after a Chargers game.OPTION C: Mission ValleyAs Jeff pointed out earlier today, the Chargers ran the numbers and figured that they needed an extra $200m on top of what the City and County had offered to make this plan financially-viable. What they would pay with the extra money is roughly the equivalent to what they paid towards PETCO Park when you factor in inflation.The Mayor turned down the Chargers offer, leading to the team to focus their efforts on the Downtown Convadium. That leaves the Mission Valley project dead in the water.What's Left?Obviously, if the only choices left are downtown San Diego or Inglewood, the local politicians should be trying to find a solution that works in downtown San Diego....right?Well, yes, but that's not what they're doing.Instead, Mayor Faulconer and County Supervisor Ron Roberts have made their intentions clear. They intend to stand in the way of a downtown convadium, and will actually be working to kill the project with a vote in May for contiguous expansion of the San Diego Convention Center.Spanos accepted the Mayor's Mission Valley offer, with terms renegotiated to one that was more fair to the team. The Mayor said no.Spanos turned his attention towards the last viable plan for a stadium in San Diego. The Mayor stood in his way, working to kill the project.When Inglewood is the team's only remaining option, will it be possible to blame anyone except San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer? RFU Season Ticket Holder by bubbaramfan 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 1119 Joined: Apr 30 2015 Carson Landfill Pro Bowl Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #14 Plan "D", year to year at Qual-Comm by Elvis 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 41553 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #15 TOPIC AUTHOR moklerman wrote:I'm still skeptical of that Clippers sale as "real". I don't think the Chargers would experience the same kind of "value". Especially considering they wouldn't actually be selling the team and they wouldn't have a stadium of their own.I think they'd be much better off staying in SD and building a stadium downtown.Hard to say for sure but the Clippers are tenants at Staples.I think the Chargers are better off in SD but i'm not sure that's true if you're going solely by franchise value... RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 15 posts Jul 23 2025
by bubbaramfan 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 1119 Joined: Apr 30 2015 Carson Landfill Pro Bowl Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #14 Plan "D", year to year at Qual-Comm by Elvis 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 41553 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #15 TOPIC AUTHOR moklerman wrote:I'm still skeptical of that Clippers sale as "real". I don't think the Chargers would experience the same kind of "value". Especially considering they wouldn't actually be selling the team and they wouldn't have a stadium of their own.I think they'd be much better off staying in SD and building a stadium downtown.Hard to say for sure but the Clippers are tenants at Staples.I think the Chargers are better off in SD but i'm not sure that's true if you're going solely by franchise value... RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 15 posts Jul 23 2025
by Elvis 9 years 4 months ago Total posts: 41553 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Chargers Going for Downtown POST #15 TOPIC AUTHOR moklerman wrote:I'm still skeptical of that Clippers sale as "real". I don't think the Chargers would experience the same kind of "value". Especially considering they wouldn't actually be selling the team and they wouldn't have a stadium of their own.I think they'd be much better off staying in SD and building a stadium downtown.Hard to say for sure but the Clippers are tenants at Staples.I think the Chargers are better off in SD but i'm not sure that's true if you're going solely by franchise value... RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business