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 by Elvis
9 years 5 months ago
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 Joined:  Mar 28 2015
United States of America   Los Angeles
Administrator

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... 3026e.html

Demolish the Dome? Convention officials contemplate it

by David Hunn

ST. LOUIS • Leaders of the St. Louis Convention & Visitors Commission are contemplating an overhaul of the downtown convention center so massive it could include tearing down the Edward Jones Dome football stadium.

Officials have long said they desperately need to improve exhibit space, expand the center's ballroom and add loading docks and other support facilities in order to compete in the ultra-competitive convention business. They've also said the Dome, as it is now configured, doesn't provide high-quality, contiguous square footage.

Early last year, the commission's governing board created a long-range planning committee to tackle the issue.

In May, after a few meetings, the committee came up with several renovation options. One included demolishing the north half of the Jones Dome and adding exhibit halls, a ballroom and a rooftop deck with views of the Mississippi River. Others called for gutting half of the stadium, buying adjacent lots, expanding to the west, or even building a new parking garage and hotel.

"I'm afraid to comment on the Dome. It's so emotional," said commissioner Steve O'Loughlin. "Is there a precedent? Yes. You certainly have to consider it. But there's other options you have to consider, too."

The agency, funded by St. Louis County, St. Louis city and state tax dollars, has now commissioned a $113,000 study from the international design firm Gensler, C.H. Johnson Consulting, out of Chicago, and the local architecture firm Arcturis.

Commissioners are scheduled to receive the report on Thursday. Officials say it will compare St. Louis to its competition, highlight needs and set parameters for renovation decisions. Work started before the St. Louis Rams left the Dome for Los Angeles, but has been updated to include the team's departure.

Convention leaders won't guess at the eventual price tag, but city officials have said they expect it to crest $500 million.

America's Center, as the convention facilities are called, was "very competitive" when it was expanded 20 years ago, said O'Loughlin, president and chief operating officer of Lodging Hospitality Management, which owns Hilton St. Louis at the Ballpark and St. Louis Union Station Hotel, among other hotels.

Now, cities like Nashville, Indianapolis and Denver have jumped ahead of St. Louis, O'Loughlin said.

Nashville, he said, had small, outdated facilities. "Somehow, they came together and built this just absolutely amazing convention center," he said. It opened two years ago, stocked with a "green" roof, tons of natural light, a few dozen loading docks, and "Music City" references throughout, including a ballroom built to look like the inside of a guitar.

Soon after, O'Loughlin said, hotels, condos and redevelopment were rising around the new facility.

"Our competitors are bigger, and they're newer," he said. "We really need to catch up to those guys."

Moreover, most of them are also planning better, he said, estimating needs five years down the road.

In comparison, he said, three big St. Louis conventions — FIRST Robotics, O'Reilly Automotive, and Joyce Meyer Ministries — are leaving in two years. O'Loughlin calculates his hotels will lose a collective $1 million in business. "I talk to my team about it constantly," he said.

"This is a huge opportunity for St. Louis," O'Loughlin said. "Tourism business is big. It helps fill hotels. It helps fill restaurants. It brings energy downtown."

Kitty Ratcliffe, president of the convention commission, recently took the Post-Dispatch on a tour of the facilities. The annex that connects the convention center to the Dome is low and narrow; conventioneers don't like it, she said. The Dome itself is too high — it feels like a stadium, not convention space. The ballroom, at under 30,000 square feet, needs to double in size, she said. And the handful of loading docks needs to quadruple.

As she walked last Friday, kids of all ages filtered through the convention center corridors, each heading toward one of 81 volleyball courts set up for a 700-team tournament that draws 22,000 from across the country for four days.

The hallways between the older convention center and the Dome just aren't set up right, she said. In spots, thousands have to squeeze between passageways just a few dozen feet wide. Two double doors are the only interior southern connection between the Dome and convention center.

And the center might not have enough space for a growing event like the Capital Sports' President's Day Classic. Ratcliffe had to set up volleyball courts in the ballroom and even in a lobby, among staircases and hanging art work.

"It's really been a success story for us," she said. "And we are at capacity."

The event organizer, Scott McQueen, said he had to rejigger match schedules this year, extending the final games late into Monday. Parents didn't love it.

Even then, he turned away 20 or 30 teams for lack of space.

McQueen said he's not sure, if demand continues at this pace, that he can keep the tournament in St. Louis.

 by Hacksaw
9 years 5 months ago
 Total posts:   24523  
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United States of America   AT THE BEACH
Moderator

So now they have $500M ? Was't the Gnat the only way to save stL? I thought they couldn't afford to have the dome closed down during renovations. Doe's that cost include the money still owed?

Man StLoo brings the Wicked Witch of the West after getting wet to mind. "I'm melting" right there in MO.

Get used to the sound of one hand clapping there, as one hand doesn't know what the other is doing..

 by bubbaramfan
9 years 5 months ago
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 Joined:  Apr 30 2015
United States of America   Carson Landfill
Pro Bowl

"Dysfunctional" is the first word that comes to my mind when I hear "St. Louis". A lot like it is here in Carson. :ugeek:

Expected to "crest 500 million", so if they kicked in another 200 million, that would have equaled the Arbitration and St. Louis could have kept the Rams?

 by OldSchool
9 years 5 months ago
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 Joined:  Jun 09 2015
United States of America   LA Coliseum
Pro Bowl

I'm so confused with St. Louis and its cvc. First they made more off it without the Rams there. Then they were broke and the Rams should finish paying it off for them. Then they were going to upgrade it and now they're going to demolish it and upgrade everything else. It seems every week it changes on how the poor politicians of St. Louis have been screwed over.

 by den-the-coach
9 years 5 months ago
 Total posts:   870  
 Joined:  May 22 2015
United States of America   Fifty-four Forty or Fight
Veteran

The Ripper wrote:This just proves that right decision was made in Houston.


You got that right, the Rams asked for $700 million in upgrades to make it a top tier stadium that included a glass roof for natural light....Really, CVC, really? Christ the CVC are the same individuals the oversaw the big dig project!

And BTW what does the cities of Nashville, Indianapolis and Denver have that St. Louis doesn't? A Football Team!

 by maxxx power
9 years 5 months ago
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 Joined:  Jan 13 2016
United States of America   Norcal
Pro Bowl

I can tell you from my experience of attending a Rams game in that cave that they NEED to blow that thing into oblivion.

A dank mausoleum it is.

 by Hacksaw
9 years 4 months ago
 Total posts:   24523  
 Joined:  Apr 15 2015
United States of America   AT THE BEACH
Moderator

What a difference 20 years makes. Some one is running that place into the ground. If the locals could only see this it might cause them to swallow that vitriol and cheer on the Rams again.

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