[rams74]

But isn't that the point? There was clearly an issue last year that went beyond talent. Our eyes saw what they saw. Goff had some really bad games last season (not saying he didn't have great games either). If the article is to be believed, he lost not only the support of his coach, he lost the support of some of his teammates. He lost it for a reason and that reason was he couldn't perform what was expected of him. It appears Stafford has the mental toughness and experience to challenge McVay if he needs to, something that Goff couldn't really do and it ultimately cost him. Hopefully McVay comes out of this a little wiser because if he doesn't then yes, we are basically just going to repeat history.

I won't disagree with much of this. The question of Goff not making the right reads in certain situations is believable, based on some of those bad games we all saw. If it's a matter of Goff just not processing defenses quickly enough, then I'm disappointed in that. I'd hoped for better from him.

But if McVay had gotten to the point where he was berating Goff in front of the team regularly, without circling back to build him back up again, then I'm certainly disappointed in McVay, too. I expect better from him in his handling of personnel. And if that happened regularly, then what would you expect Jared's teammates to think? At least some of them would start to lose faith in their QB, no question about it.

McVay has already admitted he made mistakes in how he dealt with Goff. Presumably this sort of thing won't happen with McVay again. But we know he's kind of an excitable, emotional guy, so we'll see.

Things have to be different with a different quarterback, so hopefully it all clicks perfectly with Stafford.

[Hacksaw]

And as Homer Simpson once said,,

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion.... THE END"

[PARAM]

I won't disagree with much of this. The question of Goff not making the right reads in certain situations is believable, based on some of those bad games we all saw. If it's a matter of Goff just not processing defenses quickly enough, then I'm disappointed in that. I'd hoped for better from him.

But if McVay had gotten to the point where he was berating Goff in front of the team regularly, without circling back to build him back up again, then I'm certainly disappointed in McVay, too. I expect better from him in his handling of personnel. And if that happened regularly, then what would you expect Jared's teammates to think? At least some of them would start to lose faith in their QB, no question about it.

McVay has already admitted he made mistakes in how he dealt with Goff. Presumably this sort of thing won't happen with McVay again. But we know he's kind of an excitable, emotional guy, so we'll see.

Things have to be different with a different quarterback, so hopefully it all clicks perfectly with Stafford.

True but still, after 4 years in the same system, you'd expect the guy to know the right reads. I never believed it but maybe that sunrise stuff wasn't too far off. Nah...can't be. Confidence is a huge thing. If he was beaten down and not built back up, that certainly played into it. But it's all water under the proverbial bridge now. Stafford is the guy. I wish Goff luck in Detroit, mainly because he seemed like a nice kid. A nice rich kid.

[max]

Well they can't all be as intelligent, well informed and inside sourced as you are Max. Clueless or just their opinion?

No argument here. Everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion.

But what I find most curious, is that after they are shown to be wrong, they rarely understand why.

[Elvis]

No argument here. Everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion.

But what I find most curious, is that after they are shown to be wrong, they rarely understand why.

Here's your take after the 2017 draft:

I firmly believe that picking Everett was the start of a bad draft. Not taking Lamp at 37 was symptomatic of what has ailed this organization for years: Inept decision makers at the top. Out of the entire draft, the only pick I liked was Reynolds in the 4th round and it will take him a few years to make an impact especially on this team.

I think we are looking at a 2 to 4 win team. I expect subpar OL play once again, subpar QB play as well. The only question I have is how many games Goff plays before either getting injured behind a woeful OL or inept play.

There will be growing pains with McVay, I suspect, just impossible to say how bad they will be.

I think its gonna be very interesting in LA this year cause the Chargers are clearly the better team. They really helped themselves in the draft. If they are in the playoff hunt as I suspect they will be, then Kroenke is gonna have a very ugly situation on his hands and this time it will be an ugly business situation.

I've said before it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Rams will be in position to take Darnold next year. Now that would be something. Anyway, Snead has done his best to give the Rams a shot at #1 overall.

Why do you think you were so wrong?

What have you learned since then?

[actionjack]

Hopefully we can have different opinions without making it about each other.

I'm a no.

It's not like the line problems magically disappear with Stafford at QB or that we suddenly would've been stout against the Jets Dline for example, but i think Stafford probably saves a few more broken plays and also adds some big plays to non-broken opportunities.

So even with all else being equal, i see Stafford as a net positive.

Good points Elvis. It is a team game after all, but like you I believe Stafford gives us a better chance. IMO the Jets game the defense didnt really show up and the offense had meh game too. Im not sure if Stafford would have been enough against Green Bay either, as again the defense got whipped. The point is you need too play complementary football and I think next year the Rams offense will be better, but how about the defense....

But of course none of us can say for sure and that's why they play the games...

[snackdaddy]

Every year we see people proclaim how good a team will be because they had a great draft. "_______" will be really good. They hit it out of the park with their draft class this year". When the season comes many times that team wasn't so great. Or if they were good it wasn't because of that year's draft. It was because of previous years drafts.

Relying on rookies to change a team's fortunes is a fool's errand. Rookies usually need time. Maybe you get lucky with an elite running back or a rookie quarterback taking the league by storm. But most times it doesn't happen. So when I see someone criticize or praise a team after the draft, I take it with a grain of salt. If you want to be a good team make sure the guys you drafted in previous years are the guys who carry the team.

[max]

Here's your take after the 2017 draft:



Why do you think you were so wrong?

What have you learned since then?

I was wrong about McVay. I’ve learned not to underestimate him. And I haven’t since 2017.

At the beginning of 2020, when some fans predicted a losing season, I said McVay is good for 9 wins just on his smarts.

He’s a great young coach, yet there are still people who blame him for Goff. Wonder what they have learned?

[/zn/]

Hopefully we can have different opinions without making it about each other.

I'm a no.

It's not like the line problems magically disappear with Stafford at QB or that we suddenly would've been stout against the Jets Dline for example, but i think Stafford probably saves a few more broken plays and also adds some big plays to non-broken opportunities.

So even with all else being equal, i see Stafford as a net positive.

But of course none of us can say for sure and that's why they play the games...

I think that absolutely Stafford is a positive--a 13 year vet with nice physical talent and a "seen it all" level of confidence. That can't help but be a positive.

He will however be better with solid OL play but then to me that's just a given.

That's one story. Stafford.

Another story is a debate about history. That's Goff, who I wish well. But the history is troubling because of what it says about McV, who does not appear to be the mature leader he needs to be.

Maybe working with Stafford will develop that in him.

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[SinCityRam]

I was wrong about McVay. I’ve learned not to underestimate him. And I haven’t since 2017.

At the beginning of 2020, when some fans predicted a losing season, I said McVay is good for 9 wins just on his smarts.

He’s a great young coach, yet there are still people who blame him for Goff. Wonder what they have learned?

Spot on, sir.