[Horny Mcbae]

Great move if DET takes the cap hit and not us. Good move even if we do.

Thank you Jared but you just didn't get better and develop into the QB we need. You have to improve and minimize your shortcomings but you just couldn’t do it. Nobody can provide the perfect team around you for you to shine every year. You weren’t the guy. Hope he sends Sean a farewell message thanking him for getting him paid and set up for life.

Texans probably will want and get a lot more for Watson but that’s the QB I wanted to see paired up with Sean. Perhaps that was unrealistic.

Let’s go Stafford. Also it’ll be delightful knowing that Mrs. Stafford is out and about in our beautiful state and city and really soaking up our culture and the way we do things here. I’m sure she’ll feel very comfortable.

[WestCoastRam]

[UtahRam]

I'm just looking at the numbers. Total sacks and more importantly, sack % for Stafford with the Lions was about twice as bad as Goff had the last two years.

And that's if everything else remains the same. IMO, just like Brady did with TB compared to Winston the year before, Stafford's experience and ability will help cut down on sacks and make our OL's number even better. The narrative has been that the Rams OL has been a problem the last couple of years but I think it's clear it isn't nearly as bad as an OL with REAL problems. Like Detroit's.

Even if one wants to just look at the last two years, the Rams OL has been FAR superior than the Lions'. But Stafford's production at QB was still much better than Goff's. Look at some of Stafford's other Lions teams and OL's and it becomes easier to understand just how much the chips have been stacked against him.

So, I don't really understand the logic of Stafford having a good OL because his numbers were good, but the team was still bad. But Goff's numbers were bad because he must have had a bad OL even though the team won 10 games and was in the playoffs.

IMO, Stafford has put up good numbers in spite of a bad team and poor OL. Goff has put up bad numbers even though he had a good OL and really good team.

I know watching Goff these past two seasons, that he's been getting the ball out quicker than he had been in the past which has helped him cut back on the sacks. I think our O-Line started out well this past season (which was my biggest concern going into the season) but regressed as the year went on. The were very inconsistent. The Green Bay game was a good example of them playing good for stretches than totally collapse on the last drive. The high rating that PFF gave them is misleading to me as I watch all of the games and their pass protection was below average this year. Goff was under a lot of pressure from defenses this year.
I didn't follow Detroit this year and I can't say whether Stafford had a good year or not but I still stand by the notion that a pocket QB with good numbers benefits from a good O-Line.

[aeneas1]

good stuff by the atlantic, and pretty much what many here thought, altho wolford was 3 of 9 on passes of 15+ yards in the air (46th in comp% out of the 52 qbs with at least 9 such attempts) and it wasn't because he simply didn't have the ability to throw beyond 15 yards in the air, there were issues with the rams scheme, for one reynolds saw the most targets in 2020 when the rams threw 15+ yard passes, and guys were often not open as the a-22 readily supports.

will reynolds continue to be the rams deep threat in 2021? will scheme change for stafford? can the rams protect stafford when he wants to throw deep? stafford was sacked a lot in detroit, and as most know sacks aren't always the fault of the oline or pass pro, qbs often have a say in at as well, and in stafford's case more than a few of his sacks were on him.

anyway, you have to wonder why, if goff is such a lost cause (lacks processing speed, can easily be pressured with 4 guys, doesn't like to throw downfield, etc., etc.), holmes would have been even remotely interested in him and his contract, so much so that he went for the deal despite reported better offers? why would he, a guy who obviously knows goff, even consider making goff his first major decision as the lions gm if goff is the offensive liability mcvay has seemingly painted? weird.

can the rams protect stafford?

[aeneas1]

The high rating that PFF gave them is misleading to me as I watch all of the games and their pass protection was below average this year

pff's ranking was driven by the grades/rankings the rams olinemen earned in run blocking, however if you look at pff's pass pro rankings for each rams olineman it's clear that pass pro wasn't good, even to pff, whit was the only guy who graded well in pass pro, in fact pff ranked blythe 26th among centers in pass pro.

[aeneas1]

I have a hard time believing this is true. The Spotrac tweet assigning the dead money to the Rams is probably correct and the website isn't.

yep, spotrac messed up, and have since corrected it (mysteriously about 10 minutes after i tweeted them to ask for clarification), no early christmas for the rams, they will have to eat goff's $22.2 mil in dead cap in 2021, the world makes sense again... moreover it's back to holmes swinging a pretty nice deal out of the gates as the lions new gm, and back to the rams being $35m over the cap, about $8m more than they were before the trade.

rams:

lions

[St. Loser Fan]

^^^^^^

Looks like that’s being confirmed.

[St. Loser Fan]

Let’s see how Goffs hot model girlfriend reacts to this.

[PARAM]

Are you guys friggin' kidding me? Stafford is far superior to Goff. Let's face it, especially after the Dolphins game Goff got a terrible case of "Everett phantom sack-itis." Stafford has a good 4 years left and after that, I'm sure Snead will pull off another blockbuster for the next QB. Regardless of the dead money, it gives the Rams more cap space to sign, possibly both JJ and Floyd! I love this move!

Yeah, it's not like Stafford has had 3 or 4 picks games......wait, he's had 11 of them. He had a 3 pick game, 5, 4, 4, 3, 3, 3, 4, 3 in his first 5 years but he hasn't had one since 2018 (4 picks). So sure, Goff having a game like the Miami game is a sure sign he can't be a legit NFL QB. Get rid of him.

[PARAM]

I'm just looking at the numbers. Total sacks and more importantly, sack % for Stafford with the Lions was about twice as bad as Goff had the last two years.

And that's if everything else remains the same. IMO, just like Brady did with TB compared to Winston the year before, Stafford's experience and ability will help cut down on sacks and make our OL's number even better. The narrative has been that the Rams OL has been a problem the last couple of years but I think it's clear it isn't nearly as bad as an OL with REAL problems. Like Detroit's.

Even if one wants to just look at the last two years, the Rams OL has been FAR superior than the Lions'. But Stafford's production at QB was still much better than Goff's. Look at some of Stafford's other Lions teams and OL's and it becomes easier to understand just how much the chips have been stacked against him.

So, I don't really understand the logic of Stafford having a good OL because his numbers were good, but the team was still bad. But Goff's numbers were bad because he must have had a bad OL even though the team won 10 games and was in the playoffs.

IMO, Stafford has put up good numbers in spite of a bad team and poor OL. Goff has put up bad numbers even though he had a good OL and really good team.

Here's the thing "with numbers" equating to good performance (ie, "Stafford putting up good numbers"). Stafford has 45 touchdown passes the last 2 years in 24 games. He's had 10 games with 3 touchdowns (9) or more (1) and the Lions are 3-6-1 in those. That means in the other 14 games, he's had 14 TD passes and the Lions were 5-8. Now does that sound good?

I'm hoping for the best and that Stafford proves a much better QB than Goff in McVay's system. But my fear is this is more an ego decision than a football decision. We'll see.

And as somebody else said, this smacks of desperation. Goff's first 61 games of his career (7 with Fisher) 99 TD - 46 Int. Stafford's first 61 games? 109 TDs - 73 Int. But now Stafford is the wise veteran who will lead the Rams to a Superbowl title and Goff is a bum? There's no way Goff could have grown into a QB as good as Stafford?