[PARAM]

seems that you're looking at career game winning drives while ignoring years played, number of games played, and game winning drive opportunities - in short, the numbers you're looking at are meaningless without context.

here's a look at game winning drives as a % of game winning drive opportunities, for the 1990-2020 stretch, minimum 50 starts... in order for a qb to be credited with a game winning drive, he has to put his team ahead for the win after trailing at some point in the 4th quarter.

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Please stop posting facts like that. It's not good for the debate. Those folks who read something and then parrot it will have to resort to "I don't care what the facts are, those aren't MY facts. We won't ever win a Superbowl with Goff, because, because......because we just can't. You heard it here first".

[aeneas1]

Please stop posting facts like that. It's not good for the debate. Those folks who read something and then parrot it will have to resort to "I don't care what the facts are, those aren't MY facts. We won't ever win a Superbowl with Goff, because, because......because we just can't. You heard it here first".

favre has 43 game winning drives which is more than 5 times the number that goff has (8), so favre is more than 5 times better at game winning drives than goff, man does goff friggin' suck! hell, goff 2.0 (2017-2020) doesn't even have more gwd than that stiff bradford, if nothing else that oughta tell just how much goff sucks! ha ha, fans, gotta love them.

[ramsman34]

I wonder which has more value - 4th quarter game winning drives, or keeping/extending your 4th quarter lead to win? I do know that turnovers can kill both. But, having the lead is generally a more secure place to be.

[max]

Here's Cosell on with Coward with a quick assessment of Goff...

GC say Goff "is who he is" and explains what that means...

[moklerman]

Yeah, it's not like anybody would have to fudge numbers to prove that....since it's a fact right??

Well, no. They wouldn't and I didn't. I stated very clearly what my comparison was, you just didn't like it.

32 games is arbitrary but it also happens to be the exact number of games since the '18 KC game and it happens to be 2 full seasons worth of games. I purposely did not include playoff games because in any QB comparison, it isn't fair for comparison to put playoff games against regular season games on principle.

You have decided to twist all of that up into something that it's not. But after all is said and done, the numbers show Bradford and Goff to have a comparable passer rating for 2 straight years worth of games. Does that mean Bradford was better than he is remembered or that Goff is playing worse than realized?

[bremillard]

Well Goff has played 65 games. So he's brought his team back in 12% of the games he's played. In 64% of the others, he didn't have to bring them back....he had them ahead. Mahomes has brought his team back in 14% of the games he's played. Simple fact. That stat ain't that important. But I'll gladly admit Mahomes is the best in the game right now.

BTW, if you want I could give you the formula for figuring out QB rating, so you don't have to go by what websites say. The information you have is wrong. Here's a better website and far more reliable.

You're a Ram fan. I've been a Ram fan since Ken Iman snapped the ball to Roman Gabriel, Eddie Meador intercepted passes and Bruce Gossett missed game tying/winning field goals. I don't want either of us to lose site of the fact that we are adamant and emotional about the same team. I fully admit to having way more at stake every NFL Sunday than should be humanly allowable for something so far out of my control. Since we are both Rams fans I celebrate the team with you and am sorry if hard feeling develop in lament.

[bremillard]

I always knew that Vince Young was the greatest QB ever. Unfortunately, his career was tragically cut short by his chronic flatulence:

If you are also a Trojan fan you should know all there is to know about Vince Young.

[bremillard]

seems that you're looking at career game winning drives while ignoring years played, number of games played, and game winning drive opportunities - in short, the numbers you're looking at are meaningless without context.

here's a look at game winning drives as a % of game winning drive opportunities, for the 1990-2020 stretch, minimum 50 starts... in order for a qb to be credited with a game winning drive, he has to put his team ahead for the win after trailing at some point in the 4th quarter.

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OK...point conceded.

[moklerman]

Here's Cosell on with Coward with a quick assessment of Goff...

GC say Goff "is who he is" and explains what that means...

Cosell didn't really answer Cowherd's question about Goff, did he? Cowherd asked if the problems Goff is having are fixable and Cosell seemed to sort of just trail off on a tangent. Or did I miss his answer? He just kind of danced around the topic until it was a new topic.

Paraphrasing, he said Goff is what he is and he's very system dependent. Not that that is a bad thing as most QB's are that way. Said that if things were just as he expected, Goff was fine and could throw the ball really well. But if they weren't, he had problems. Which is pretty much what we've all talked about.

But he didn't answer whether or not it could be fixed. Unless the answer was that Goff is what he is and that's all he can be.

[/zn/]

And your response is no better than what you’re ripping. It’s not about Stan’s money - it’s about salary cap money. Paying Goff less would help the team.

Yeah if I gave back money where I work it might help others.

But neither you nor I are going to do that.

We just think quarterbacks should.