[OCRams1]

I believe one of Goff’s main issues is his ball release: It takes him too long to spread his legs, uncoil his arms then release the balls. By that time, the windows are close or mostly closed. As the result of that long, release ball mechanism, I noticed he threw the balls mostly at one speed only, and not much else in lofting the ball with soft touch, nor quick flicking the balls. I believe his limitations come down to his long release mechanism, not much else. Red-zone offense where short balls, quick release is paramount to success expose his flaw. Sometimes if you have time, then you spread your legs, your arms, but sometimes you can’t, or the situation requires different ball releases, then do it differently. No, he can do it one way. His other problems are decision making, ball protection, etc... already covered by many people, so I do not want to dwell on it.

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I believe one of Goff’s main issues is his ball release:

I've seen very detailed video breakdowns of Goff's set up and release including one great one by a CFB coach.

They don't say any of the things you say. He's praised for his form actually.

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There's little doubt in my mind the Rams select a QB with their first pick (2nd round) in next years draft.

Candidate for reposting after the draft.

For the record--I completely disagree.

For one thing, if they actually signed the guy to a longterm extension and either did not notice or did not care that he does not have the internal motor to be "urgent" on his own...I mean if they actually really did that...then, the Rams problems run very deep and the organization is in the hands of incompetents.

In other words, they are not in your universe. Those who know him the best wanted that extension. So I would bet against them wasting a high pick on qb "competition."
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[/zn/]

McVay's offense is a great offense. He just seems to go into a trance sometimes. Like with the game tied with 3:11 left and 3 timeouts. Empty backfield, no chance of a run play. What's to defense? And still Goff had 3 straight completions. The D was bailing out on the snap, so why not run Akers or Henderson a couple of times and burn some clock? 2nd and 5 was the ideal time but Malcolm was in the backfield so that meant PASS.

I am no OC or ex-QB but IMHO, he had a major brain fart on that series. And there have been other brain farts. Like WR screens on third and goal from the 9 to cite one. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's all on Jared Goff and he's a shitty QB but I don't think so. He's done real well in the past, thrown dimes all over the field. But as Canuck said, he had an OL in 2017 and 2018 that didn't miss a guy for more than a half of football.

I don't know. I just know they gotta fix whatever it is.....quickly. I'd start with running the two young studs a lot more. And the swing pass or wheel route a couple times a game. Where's that play where all the WRs run deep routes and he play fakes to the RB, then hits him under the retreating LBs? Gurley used to be good for 15 - 20 everytime. Or to the house vs Dallas in the regular season.

I see it from the same general position you do. The issue IMO is whether he gets tone deaf in specific in-game situations. It has nothing to do with the scheme, it's how he responds in-game to what is happening.

Shanahan has that. He took a back-up qb against a top defense that had already adjusted to his attack and had pushed back on them, adjusted to the adjustment, and scored twice in the final minutes.

I think there are abundant examples of McVay not having that kind of in-the-moment instinct or having not developed it enough yet.

Again, that has nothing to do with the scheme. You can draw up a brilliant scheme and still not be attuned enough to the game situation to react well moment by moment to what is happening on the field.

There's that, but also of course there's the fact that KS had 2 weeks to prepare for a Rams team that was coming off a short week with a missed practice. I don't think SM is experienced enough yet to overcome that disadvantage against a savvy division rival (the premise being obviously that division rivals already know you so have more to work with if they get extra prep time).

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[norcalramfan]

We'll know come May, but I didn't say they would release Goff, I did state they'll take a QB to develop. If I'm wrong on Goff, and I hope I am, it wouldn't be a horrible thing to have a gifted back-up QB. If, however as I suspect Goff is who we presently see and that is a very average, not elite NFL QB, than we have a future QB on our team.

[norcalramfan]

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And yet other sites put it in the opposite light. NBC based it on McVays "long answer"? Has there ever been a question where he's given a short answer?

"That was never a consideration yesterday or against Miami, to answer your question"

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Hey, Zn...

Yeah.. I won't make any kind of prediction on draft choices... but here's what I will say. If Jared continues the level of play he's had for the past 27 games.. he will not be the Rams starting QB at some point next season, and not because of injury.

Howdy! Hope you are safe and well.

On Goff. To me it's a completely different formula. I see him as having 3 bad games in the last 11, mixed in with solid to good games. The bad games I don't place wholly on Goff because of the playcalling issues I see--I think McV puts JG in harms way sometimes by not being responsive enough in-game to a struggling offense. That's a theory but it grows out of my reactions while watching games. I am assuming that sooner or later McV improves in that respect.

I don't count 2019 because the way I always factor it, a damaged and/or problem OL has a direct affect on qb play. Just for fun, an example. The same thing happened to Ryan and Rivers in 2019. The OLs for both teams were a mess in 2019.

Here’s how the 3 qbs were ranked (by qb ranking) in 2018.

Ryan, 4th
Rivers, 5th
Goff, 8th.

Here’s how they were ranked in 2019.

Ryan, 14th
Rivers, 17th
Goff, 22nd

I see all 3 nosediving in performance from 2018 to 2019 as no coincidence. I just think that with rare exceptions big OL struggles do that to qbs.

Anyway that's just how I view it.

[SpeedRacer]

It’s year 5. Small Hands is what he is. Medium to bad with some high quality throws sometimes mixed in. He has little field awareness, and if things don’t happen as designed once the play starts he is mostly useless.

It appears he is easily confused by defenses. After he works down the progression he is late to the target. So often his outlet is open for a nice gain only for the ball to get there so late the advantage is lost. He seems incapable of reading in advance which option is going to be gone. The top QBs see it early and respond.

And his small hands ARE an issue. I believe it’s the reason he gets stripped sacked so often. The ball is not gripped tightly. See the fumble in Giraffe Mode. Not much contact yet the ball is immediately loose.

It’s to the point now when he drops back I expect bad things not good.
That is telling.

Go Rams.

[moklerman]

I don't count 2019 because the way I always factor it, a damaged and/or problem OL has a direct affect on qb play. Just for fun, an example. The same thing happened to Ryan and Rivers in 2019. The OLs for both teams were a mess in 2019.

I see all 3 nosediving in performance from 2018 to 2019 as no coincidence. I just think that with rare exceptions big OL struggles do that to qbs.

I'd like to know how you quantify your opinion.

Sack %
Ryan - '19(7.2%) '18(6.5%)
Rivers - '19(5.4%) '18(5.9%)
Goff - '19(3.4%) '18(5.4%)

Which one of those OL's doesn't seem as "damaged" as the others?