[Elvis]

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Reports: NFL owners still wary of Raiders moving to Los Angeles

By Matthew [email protected]

OAKLAND -- There is a growing consensus among NFL owners that two teams will play in Los Angeles next season, and the Oakland Raiders appear increasingly unlikely to be one of them, according to reports coming out of league meetings in New York Wednesday.

NFL owners are scheduled next week to vote on two competing Los Angeles-area stadium plans: one from the St. Louis Rams in Inglewood and the other from the Raiders and San Diego Chargers in Carson.

If neither bid has the necessary support from 24 out of 32 owners, a compromise could be sought that might leave the Raiders back in Oakland.

"This is a very, very fluid situation, and right now the momentum seems to be shifting to a partnership of the Chargers and the Rams moving to Los Angeles," reported Jason Cole of Bleacher Report.

Cole said a lot of owners recall fights in the stands when the Raiders last played in Los Angeles and question whether the team's ownership has the money to succeed there.

"It's a very, very complicated scenario for the owners seeing the Raiders in Los Angeles," Cole reported.

By contrast, the Chargers are seen as having the most support among owners and the highest likelihood of playing Los Angeles next year, while the Rams boast the league's second-richest owner.

Raiders owner Mark Davis has said he wants to stay in Oakland but has not been happy with the city's proposals, which include no public money for a new stadium.

If the Raiders aren't approved for Los Angeles, there could be a compromise by which the NFL provides more financial help getting a stadium built in Oakland or lowers the Raiders relocation fee if they move somewhere else, the Los Angeles Times reported.

The NFL is eyeing relocation fees of $550 million from the team or teams moving to Los Angeles.

One factor that could help keep the Raiders in Oakland is that owners appear skeptical about stadium-financing plans offered by St. Louis and San Diego to try to keep their teams.

The San Diego Union Tribune reported that owners think San Diego voters would reject the stadium deal that calls for $350 million in public funds.

And, according to the St. Louis Post Dispatch, St. Louis' offer of $400 million in city and state funds appears less certain after the president pro tem of the Missouri Senate, Ron Richard, wrote a Dec. 30 letter warning the league that it would be "speculative at best" for the NFL to count on the state's portion of the funding.

Contact Matthew Artz at 510-208-6435.

[Stranger]

And, according to the St. Louis Post Dispatch, St. Louis' offer of $400 million in city and state funds appears less certain after the president pro tem of the Missouri Senate, Ron Richard, wrote a Dec. 30 letter warning the league that it would be "speculative at best" for the NFL to count on the state's portion of the funding.

Wonder if the StL sportsmedia has mentioned this anywhere?

[Hacksaw]

They certainly never told Vinny.

[Elvis]

They certainly never told Vinny.

I don't know if that's true. Vinny says the Raiders have a bad rep and it's hurting them. But he also says he doesn't think it's fair. He doesn't deny it's there...

[Stranger]

They certainly never told Vinny.

I don't know if that's true. Vinny says the Raiders have a bad rep and it's hurting them. But he also says he doesn't think it's fair. He doesn't deny it's there...

I feel a heckuva lot safer going to a Raiders game than a 49er game.

It's mostly working class families going to Raider games, same ones that attend Oakland A's games. They're super passionate about their team, and they actually pay attention to the sport and are knowledgeable.

But don't know the LA Raider crowd as well. But I do recall 4th qtr fights at just about every Rams game I attended at the Coleseum. I used to regularly see bodies fly down rows of seats. I brought my binouculars along just so that I could see them. So, I can't imagine the Raiders at the Colesuem was much different.

[bubbaramfan]

Went to a Raider-Charger game at the coliseum back in early 80's, there was a middle aged woman coming back to her seat with sodas and hot dogs for her kids. She was wearing a Charger jersey. She got drilled with peanuts and beer, and then a Raider clown reached down and grabbed her jersey, another helped and they ended up ripping it off her and lighting it on fire in the isle. left her crying with just her bra on, and the sodas and hotdogs on the ground. The worst part was all the rest of the Raider clowns cheering.

Please, no Radiers in LA, ( or Carson).

[Stranger]

Went to a Raider-Charger game at the coliseum back in early 80's, there was a middle aged woman coming back to her seat with sodas and hot dogs for her kids. She was wearing a Charger jersey. She got drilled with peanuts and beer, and then a Raider clown reached down and grabbed her jersey, another helped and they ended up ripping it off her and lighting it on fire in the isle. left her crying with just her bra on, and the sodas and hotdogs on the ground. The worst part was all the rest of the Raider clowns cheering.

Please, no Radiers in LA, ( or Carson).

You wouldn't see that in Oakland.

The Coliseum is actually a weird place. Always has been.

I had hubcaps stolen off my car during one day game. Another time I was pickpocketed while waiting for players to exit the locker room after the game - and I was just a kid at the time. And after the Pro Bowl I saw Roger Staubach get his wallet lifted - he hurdled a gate between himself and the parking lot and chased down the kid who did it, but the kid had already passed-off the wallet to his accomplice and it was gone.

[SoCalRam78]

Went to a Raider-Charger game at the coliseum back in early 80's, there was a middle aged woman coming back to her seat with sodas and hot dogs for her kids. She was wearing a Charger jersey. She got drilled with peanuts and beer, and then a Raider clown reached down and grabbed her jersey, another helped and they ended up ripping it off her and lighting it on fire in the isle. left her crying with just her bra on, and the sodas and hotdogs on the ground. The worst part was all the rest of the Raider clowns cheering.

Please, no Radiers in LA, ( or Carson).

You wouldn't see that in Oakland.

The Coliseum is actually a weird place. Always has been.

I had hubcaps stolen off my car during one day game. Another time I was pickpocketed while waiting for players to exit the locker room after the game - and I was just a kid at the time. And after the Pro Bowl I saw Roger Staubach get his wallet lifted - he hurdled a gate between himself and the parking lot and chased down the kid who did it, but the kid had already passed-off the wallet to his accomplice and it was gone.

Yes, Oakland and LA Raiders were two different animals. Went to Oakland games and though the fans were always passionate and the majority of them respectful.

LA games were just dangerous and getting your car messed with seemed like part of the day.