[Extremes]

Like Aaron Rodgers? Oh wait, he’s never done that

What are you talking about, Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs against the Cowboys 13-3. Aaron Rodgers is the reason why the Packers aren't the Browns.

[/zn/]

What are you talking about, Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs against the Cowboys 13-3. Aaron Rodgers is the reason why the Packers aren't the Browns.

Rodgers has a fairly low percentage of comeback wins in his career though obviously he's a great qb in spite of that. This year he's doing well in the comeback dept. though.

This is just something that came from one of the strawman confusions in the thread. Some people are busily arguing with the idea that comebacks are the most important qb trait or that that trait in itself is a mark of greatness.

Of course, and obviously, no one said that.

But nevertheless, there are posts dedicated to shooting down that particular non-existent argument.

Happens. Just another day at the office. Shrug.

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[dieterbrock]

What are you talking about, Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs against the Cowboys 13-3. Aaron Rodgers is the reason why the Packers aren't the Browns.

Wow got me there. He did it once.
Although Green Bay defense stopped Dallas late in the game but yeah he did it one time.

[dieterbrock]

This is just something that came from one of the strawman confusions in the thread. Some people are busily arguing with the idea that comebacks are the most important qb trait or that that trait in itself is a mark of greatness.

Of course, and obviously, no one said that.

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This is pure gold.

Straw man statement about straw men.

You are priceless

[Elvis]

Wilson had a nice look at a 4th qtr comeback, couldn’t get it done...

[dieterbrock]

Wilson had a nice look at a 4th qtr comeback, couldn’t get it done...

Goff gets credited with a 4th Q comeback....

[/zn/]

This goes here for a reason.

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from QB Tiers revisited: Risers, fallers and question marks


Mike Sando

http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_ ... k-prescott

LOS ANGELES -- Jared Goff stepped up in the pocket Sunday and delivered an accurate pass over the middle for a 35-yard gain on third-and-15.

It was exactly the type of play coaches and evaluators around the NFL want to see the Los Angeles Rams' third-year starter make as a rite of passage into the upper tiers of the quarterback world.

Goff, whose two touchdown passes helped the Rams hold off the Seattle Seahawks, will take center stage with the Kansas City Chiefs' Patrick Mahomes on Monday Night Football in Week 11. The matchup will feature the two quarterbacks rising the fastest since my 2018 QB Tiers survey was published over the summer.

Ten general managers, five head coaches, 10 coordinators, 10 senior personnel executives, five QB coaches and 10 other coaches/execs comprised the 50-man panel. I re-polled five voters in recent days to see which quarterbacks were rising, falling or simply the most interesting in their eyes. Results and insights follow, but first, a quick refresher on each tier.

Tier 1: Can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations.

Tier 2: Can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.

Tier 3: A legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defense to win. A lower-volume passing offense makes his job easier.

Tier 4: Could be an unproven player with some upside or a veteran who is ultimately best suited as a backup.

Tier 5: Should not start under any circumstances.

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Risers

Jared Goff, Los Angeles Rams

2018 Tier: 3

Projected 2019 Tier: 2

Goff has picked up where he left off last season, which is what some QB Tiers voters wanted to see before pushing him into the second tier.

"I don't want to compare him to Hall of Fame guys, but sometimes you see him Joe Montana-ish with his placement, accuracy and just putting the ball where it needs to go," one evaluator said. "For the Rams, it is all tied in with the coach, the runner playing as well as he is playing and then having that accurate quarterback."

Evaluating Goff as a rookie in 2016 required adjusting for a worst-case scenario in terms of all-around support. Evaluating Goff now requires adjusting for the perfect situation. How would he perform if everything around him were average? The Rams have no way of knowing, and no plans to find out, although rewarding quarterbacks with expensive second contracts is usually a sure way to find out, given the drain it puts on other resources.

For now, Goff will be making the best of a great situation.

"Their run game ties to their pass game, so when he is making these throws, they are very accurate, but he is getting them with some big windows because of that run game," another voter said.

All agreed that next frontier for Goff is demonstrating over time an ability to thrive on third down and when the Rams are trailing.

"It is a perfect marriage between quarterback and playcaller," another voter said. "That is the most important relationship in any NFL building. It is even more powerful when the playcaller is the head coach. You can put Goff as a solid two. I have not seen enough come-from-behind work. It is a process. You work on that area, you have a chance to become a one."

[AvengerRam]

By that measure, I don't see how anyone could argue that Goff is not a Tier-2 with Tier-1 potential (after all... dude is just 24!)

[rams74]

Wow got me there. He did it once.
Although Green Bay defense stopped Dallas late in the game but yeah he did it one time.

What about all those hail mary's that Aaron Rodgers has completed? Those didn't happen in games the Packers were already winning. He's had more than one comeback win. Multiple have come on the last play of the game. I don't know why we're debating Aaron Rodgers.

[/zn/]

By that measure, I don't see how anyone could argue that Goff is not a Tier-2 with Tier-1 potential (after all... dude is just 24!)

Agreed.