[Elvis]

And we ALL know what happened next, lmao.

I forgot we lost two in a row, don't remember panicking but also wasn't online back then (at least not very much) so wasn't exposed to the full brunt of whatever there would've been.

I love Crowell smack talking McCleon, some things never change.

Like this, from another article:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lions-chew ... ding-rams/

"I take full responsibility," McCleon said. "I just got caught looking back at the quarterback and I lost sight of him. I should have been a lot deeper than I was."

Ryan Tucker hiked the ball then caught a TD? That doesn't sound right...

[Horny Mcbae]

[ramsman34]

Yeah we know. I've said that often myself. Honestly, you're preaching to a conference of choir directors.

BUT here's the thing...comeback situations invariably entail passing (and there are exceptions to that, like the GB game). The only question being asked is if the qb shows the same poise and effectiveness passing in the 2 minute or late game offense they do earlier in the game, when there are time constraints and the defense knows full well you have to pass.

And as percentages show, some qbs are just more effective at that than others. We know who they are, we don't need the numbers, but the numbers back it. For example, as much as I hate mentioning it (cause I live in New England), Brady has been part of a number of high profile comeback wins. The team changed through the years completely, except for Brady. So we know what part of this goes to the qb.

It's one thing in the list of things you want from your qb. I like the idea that the Rams can go into those situations---and all teams face those situations, no matter how many games where they lead all 4 quarters--completely trusting the qb and themselves to pull it out because they've done it before. Seattle has that with Wilson for example. He's one of the few qbs who beats 50% at that. That's with the team changing around him and him staying the one invariable.

The people who aggressively dismiss this dimension of qb play tend to show up after a loss. Then all of a sudden that dimension of qb play doesn't count.

It is what it is.

I don't dismiss it at all. I am just saying that Goff, in the Saints game, did damn near everything right - the series after the Saints' FG was on play-calling if ya ask me. Yet, still didn't get the win. How much of that is really on him?

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I don't dismiss it at all. I am just saying that Goff, in the Saints game, did damn near everything right - the series after the Saints' FG was on play-calling if ya ask me. Yet, still didn't get the win. How much of that is really on him?

Well, I am not really sure that's my question. How much of the loss is on him? He may share in it but really, it's on different aspects of the whole team, actually.

Then again the defense and Goff both turned it around enough to tie it up, too. Which is a really good sign.

But you can approach this through a different question. Not an issue of blame, per se, but how good is he at this point when it gets down to that final, "in a crunch" 4th quarter situation? (Especially in a big game.) I would say overall okay (the team won 40-something% of comeback situations the last 2 years, and he has a lot to do with the wins). But in that game, not as good as other times.

This particular time, the Saints game, when it gets down to talking about the crunch time moment, I saw it more as execution than playcalling, but that's a judgment call.

He's due a win in that situation though.

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Well, I am not really sure that's my question. How much of the loss is on him? He may share in it but really, it's on different aspects of the whole team, actually.

Then again the defense and Goff both turned it around enough to tie it up, too. Which is a really good sign.

But you can approach this through a different question. Not an issue of blame, per se, but how good is he at this point when it gets down to that final, "in a crunch" 4th quarter situation? (Especially in a big game.) I would say overall okay (the team won 40-something% of comeback situations the last 2 years, and he has a lot to do with the wins). But in that game, not as good as other times.

This particular time, the Saints game, when it gets down to talking about the crunch time moment, I saw it more as execution than playcalling, but that's a judgment call.

He's due a win in that situation though.

2 things here.

1. We have to avoid getting distracted by the who lost the game thing. It’s not about that. Its not about that, but even so, Goff didn’t lose the game. What he didn’t do is play great on the last 2 possessions. That’s not the same thing as losing the game and that’s where some people get locked up.

2. I disagree about the play calling in as much as I'm doubtful that it was good on the last 2 possessions. The errant pass to Woods was on Goff, but that running play to Gurley didn’t strike me as a good play call. And I’m not sure what the options were on 3rd down, but a 2 yard pass to Kupp shouldn’t have been one of them. The fact that McVay has a history of problems in the red zone may be related to problems in crunch time. But that’s just a thought. I dunno. Does McVay lock up in critical situations? Just asking the question. My guess is that whatever it is, it will improve with experience by both of them as they grow as a team.

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2 things here.

1. We have to avoid getting distracted by the who lost the game thing. It’s not about that. Its not about that, but even so, Goff didn’t lose the game. What he didn’t do is play great on the last 2 possessions. That’s not the same thing as losing the game and that’s where some people get locked up.

2. I disagree about the play calling in as much as I'm doubtful that it was good on the last 2 possessions. The errant pass to Woods was on Goff, but that running play to Gurley didn’t strike me as a good play call. And I’m not sure what the options were on 3rd down, but a 2 yard pass to Kupp shouldn’t have been one of them. The fact that McVay has a history of problems in the red zone may be related to problems in crunch time. But that’s just a thought. I dunno. Does McVay lock up in critical situations? Just asking the question. My guess is that whatever it is, it will improve with experience by both of them as they grow as a team.

I agree on point 1 since basically we just repeated each other on that.

On point 2...there is no way Kupp was the primary or even secondary on that, so, that looks like it was a dump off, which is the qb's choice. So unless we know the play call and can see a good view of the play as it develops, it's hard to call that a play call issue.

IMO no one glitches so badly that they call an intended 2 yard pass on 3rd and 7.

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I agree on point 1 since basically we just repeated each other on that.

On point 2...there is no way Kupp was the primary or even secondary on that, so, that looks like it was a dump off, which is the qb's choice. So unless we know the play call and can see a good view of the play as it develops, it's hard to call that a play call issue.

IMO no one glitches so badly that they call an intended 2 yard pass on 3rd and 7.

Kupp wasn't the primary for sure. But the play just look flat to me. Nothing creative at all about it.

And the 2nd down play was awful. Just run Gurley into the best run defense in the NFL, why? Looked weak to me.

[Extremes]

Kupp wasn't the primary for sure. But the play just look flat to me. Nothing creative at all about it.

And the 2nd down play was awful. Just run Gurley into the best run defense in the NFL, why? Looked weak to me.

I think Jared will be fine with experience. The more experience he gets the better he will be in those late game situations. I forgot about his Arizona State game @Cal. He was incredibly clutch. And he was incredibly clutch against the Sherman,Chancellor,Thomas Seahawks secondary. I'm still bothered by Kupp dropping that ball. I forget that he is 24 years old at times and expect the world out of him which isn't fair.

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I think Jared will be fine with experience. The more experience he gets the better he will be in those late game situations. I forgot about his Arizona State game @Cal. He was incredibly clutch. And he was incredibly clutch against the Sherman,Chancellor,Thomas Seahawks secondary. I'm still bothered by Kupp dropping that ball. I forget that he is 24 years old at times and expect the world out of him which isn't fair.

How much better can he get? I already showed that by one measure (2017 career percentages) only Brady, Wilson, and Luck have done better percentage wise than JG' s 2017+2018 numbers.

But to answer my own question, I think the next step is to come through in a late comeback situation against a top conference rival in a big game (like the Eagles game last year or the Saints game this year).

But then I would rather they lead a team like that the whole game without the comeback.

[dieterbrock]

But to answer my own question, I think the next step is to come through in a late comeback situation against a top conference rival in a big game (like the Eagles game last year or the Saints game this year).

Like Aaron Rodgers? Oh wait, he’s never done that