by R4L 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #1 TOPIC AUTHOR Haden liked this post So i really don't care for the Rams picks this season. They call him trader Les but sometimes trading down for a bunch of 6th round picks isn't the way to go imo. I know guys like Peters, Talib and Cooks are part of this draft, but i will consider it a great off-season if and when Peters and Cooks re-sign. So i decided to look up Snead's draft record on picks. The Redskins trade was supposed to stock this team well into the future but there are only Brockers and Donald left to show for it. This is all my opinion so some may disagree. Looking forward to your comments.2012GoodBrockersJenkinsJohnsonZuerleinBadQuickPeadWatkinsA.BrownD.Richardson2013GoodOgletreeMcDonaldBadAustinBaileyB. JonesMcGeeStacey2014GoodDonaldJoynerGainesBadRobinsonMasonAlexanderGilbertVan DykBryantSamRhaney2015GoodGurleyHavensteinBrownMannionHagerBadDonnalSasserWichmannIfedi2016GoodGoffHigbeeHemingway?ThomasBadForrest2017GoodEverett?KuppJohnsonReynoldsEbukamSmart?BadRogersThe guys with question marks are unknowns at this point but are still on the roster. 1 by Flash 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1203 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Houston Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #2 R4L liked this post I was going to write something along the lines that drafting for Fisher's scheme probably handicapped Snead some. But then going over the list, did he have some misses? Yes but all in all I'd say above average.Moving forward with a 21st century scheme I could even better resuts (once we start picking in first round again). RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by /zn/ 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 6758 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #3 R4L, Elmgrovegnome, Horny Mcbae liked this post R4L wrote:So i really don't care for the Rams picks this season. They call him trader Les but sometimes trading down for a bunch of 6th round picks isn't the way to go imo. I know guys like Peters, Talib and Cooks are part of this draft, but i will consider it a great off-season if and when Peters and Cooks re-sign. So i decided to look up Snead's draft record on picks. The Redskins trade was supposed to stock this team well into the future but there are only Brockers and Donald left to show for it. This is all my opinion so some may disagree. Looking forward to your comments.2012GoodBrockersJenkinsJohnsonZuerleinBadQuickPeadWatkinsA.BrownD.Richardson2013GoodOgletreeMcDonaldBadAustinBaileyB. JonesMcGeeStacey2014GoodDonaldJoynerGainesBadRobinsonMasonAlexanderGilbertVan DykBryantSamRhaney2015GoodGurleyHavensteinBrownMannionHagerBadDonnalSasserWichmannIfedi2016GoodGoffHigbeeHemingway?ThomasBadForrest2017GoodEverett?KuppJohnsonReynoldsEbukamSmart?BadRogersThe guys with question marks are unknowns at this point but are still on the roster.It;s too soon to do 2017. Or 2016. Counting back from 2015, I don't think we know enough to count Mannion. So I put him with unknowns. For 2014 picks, Alexander played for a year under Wms, and was graded well, but did not fit Wade's scheme. That's not on Snead. That's a system fit issue. So I count him as a hit. 2013, I don't count Bailey against them...he got shot. Has nothing to do with Snead. So I don't count him either way. I don 't count Austin as a bad pick. He was productive in his role as an offensive weapon, and until 2017 on special teams too. In terms of just hits and misses, that's a hit. If you're going to go beyond hits and misses and grade picks, then you mark Austin down for not living up to high first round value. But that;s a different issue. So I come up with this. Doing just 2012-15, and not counting Bailey either way, it's: Hits: 15Misses or unknowns: 20That's a hit percentage of 42.8%. I have done this kind of thing before where I compare the Rams raw basic hit percentage to known good drafting teams. Here's what I've found. Below 20% is just plain awful.Below 30% is poor. Average hit rate is 30% to mid 30s. High 30s edging up to 40% is above average, approaching good. Good hit rate is 40% to high 40s. 50% is very rare and is exceptional.In addition to having a hit rate in the 40s, if you;re just going to grade them, you have to consider these things. * Austin was picked too high for what his real role was. Robinson was a bust, and a 2nd pick bust has to count against you. * Very few teams in all of NFL history have accomplished the following or anything like it--picked an offensive rookie of the year who became an offensive player of the year, picked a defensive rookie of the year who became a defensive player of the year, picked a qb who was a solid pro bowler in his 2nd season. (I didn't do hit percentage on the 2016 draft but now in this part of the discussion, it;s fair to count Goff.) Off the top of my head, I would say that was like the Steelers in 69-72, when in 4 drafts with high picks, they got Joe Greene, Bradshaw, and Harris. Some people say, well, the Rams picked high a lot. Okay. But. Virtually every team has picked high at some point in its history. But very few teams that picked high scored that way, like the Rams did in 2014-2016. 3 by snackdaddy 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 9631 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Snead draft hits and misses POST #4 dieterbrock, phoenixrising, RamsFanSince82 and 1 others liked this post When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all. 4 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #5 snackdaddy wrote:When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all.Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime by /zn/ 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 6758 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #6 dieterbrock, Elmgrovegnome liked this post snackdaddy wrote:When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all.So if a team is better than average at finding lower round picks who can play, they are drafting above the norm. 2 by BobCarl 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 4283 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Snead draft hits and misses POST #7 R4L wrote: Snead's draft record on picksI heard that Snead did a great job drafting in Atlanta, before joining the Ramsdoes anyone have the good vs bad info from his Atlanta days? ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by Elvis 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Snead draft hits and misses POST #8 dieterbrock, RedAlice, Horny Mcbae liked this post I definitely think you have to do a pre Fisher and post Fisher analysis. With the Rams there's a high level of collaboration between the HC and GM so it's pretty hard to analyze Snead independent of the HC he's working for/with.You also have to consider what we did with some of our picks: Got Sammy Watkins for a year, got Marcus Peters, got Brandin Cooks, got Aquib Talib.In the end the only metric that really matters is wins and losses. If they're winning, they're doing it right... RFU Season Ticket Holder 3 by R4L 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR dieterbrock liked this post dieterbrock wrote:Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. 1 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #10 R4L liked this post R4L wrote:.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. A side note, Snead is also very good at UDFAs with 13 still in the league.Well IMO, anyone who is criticizing the Rams draft (or any team for that matter), isn't really criticizing the players chosen as much as they are complaining that the team didn't take players they prefer. Only time will tell if the team got it right.I definitely like our 1st round pick, Cooks.... 1 Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 63 posts Mar 28 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by Flash 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1203 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Houston Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #2 R4L liked this post I was going to write something along the lines that drafting for Fisher's scheme probably handicapped Snead some. But then going over the list, did he have some misses? Yes but all in all I'd say above average.Moving forward with a 21st century scheme I could even better resuts (once we start picking in first round again). RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by /zn/ 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 6758 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #3 R4L, Elmgrovegnome, Horny Mcbae liked this post R4L wrote:So i really don't care for the Rams picks this season. They call him trader Les but sometimes trading down for a bunch of 6th round picks isn't the way to go imo. I know guys like Peters, Talib and Cooks are part of this draft, but i will consider it a great off-season if and when Peters and Cooks re-sign. So i decided to look up Snead's draft record on picks. The Redskins trade was supposed to stock this team well into the future but there are only Brockers and Donald left to show for it. This is all my opinion so some may disagree. Looking forward to your comments.2012GoodBrockersJenkinsJohnsonZuerleinBadQuickPeadWatkinsA.BrownD.Richardson2013GoodOgletreeMcDonaldBadAustinBaileyB. JonesMcGeeStacey2014GoodDonaldJoynerGainesBadRobinsonMasonAlexanderGilbertVan DykBryantSamRhaney2015GoodGurleyHavensteinBrownMannionHagerBadDonnalSasserWichmannIfedi2016GoodGoffHigbeeHemingway?ThomasBadForrest2017GoodEverett?KuppJohnsonReynoldsEbukamSmart?BadRogersThe guys with question marks are unknowns at this point but are still on the roster.It;s too soon to do 2017. Or 2016. Counting back from 2015, I don't think we know enough to count Mannion. So I put him with unknowns. For 2014 picks, Alexander played for a year under Wms, and was graded well, but did not fit Wade's scheme. That's not on Snead. That's a system fit issue. So I count him as a hit. 2013, I don't count Bailey against them...he got shot. Has nothing to do with Snead. So I don't count him either way. I don 't count Austin as a bad pick. He was productive in his role as an offensive weapon, and until 2017 on special teams too. In terms of just hits and misses, that's a hit. If you're going to go beyond hits and misses and grade picks, then you mark Austin down for not living up to high first round value. But that;s a different issue. So I come up with this. Doing just 2012-15, and not counting Bailey either way, it's: Hits: 15Misses or unknowns: 20That's a hit percentage of 42.8%. I have done this kind of thing before where I compare the Rams raw basic hit percentage to known good drafting teams. Here's what I've found. Below 20% is just plain awful.Below 30% is poor. Average hit rate is 30% to mid 30s. High 30s edging up to 40% is above average, approaching good. Good hit rate is 40% to high 40s. 50% is very rare and is exceptional.In addition to having a hit rate in the 40s, if you;re just going to grade them, you have to consider these things. * Austin was picked too high for what his real role was. Robinson was a bust, and a 2nd pick bust has to count against you. * Very few teams in all of NFL history have accomplished the following or anything like it--picked an offensive rookie of the year who became an offensive player of the year, picked a defensive rookie of the year who became a defensive player of the year, picked a qb who was a solid pro bowler in his 2nd season. (I didn't do hit percentage on the 2016 draft but now in this part of the discussion, it;s fair to count Goff.) Off the top of my head, I would say that was like the Steelers in 69-72, when in 4 drafts with high picks, they got Joe Greene, Bradshaw, and Harris. Some people say, well, the Rams picked high a lot. Okay. But. Virtually every team has picked high at some point in its history. But very few teams that picked high scored that way, like the Rams did in 2014-2016. 3 by snackdaddy 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 9631 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Snead draft hits and misses POST #4 dieterbrock, phoenixrising, RamsFanSince82 and 1 others liked this post When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all. 4 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #5 snackdaddy wrote:When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all.Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime by /zn/ 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 6758 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #6 dieterbrock, Elmgrovegnome liked this post snackdaddy wrote:When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all.So if a team is better than average at finding lower round picks who can play, they are drafting above the norm. 2 by BobCarl 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 4283 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Snead draft hits and misses POST #7 R4L wrote: Snead's draft record on picksI heard that Snead did a great job drafting in Atlanta, before joining the Ramsdoes anyone have the good vs bad info from his Atlanta days? ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by Elvis 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Snead draft hits and misses POST #8 dieterbrock, RedAlice, Horny Mcbae liked this post I definitely think you have to do a pre Fisher and post Fisher analysis. With the Rams there's a high level of collaboration between the HC and GM so it's pretty hard to analyze Snead independent of the HC he's working for/with.You also have to consider what we did with some of our picks: Got Sammy Watkins for a year, got Marcus Peters, got Brandin Cooks, got Aquib Talib.In the end the only metric that really matters is wins and losses. If they're winning, they're doing it right... RFU Season Ticket Holder 3 by R4L 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR dieterbrock liked this post dieterbrock wrote:Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. 1 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #10 R4L liked this post R4L wrote:.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. A side note, Snead is also very good at UDFAs with 13 still in the league.Well IMO, anyone who is criticizing the Rams draft (or any team for that matter), isn't really criticizing the players chosen as much as they are complaining that the team didn't take players they prefer. Only time will tell if the team got it right.I definitely like our 1st round pick, Cooks.... 1 Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 63 posts Mar 28 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by /zn/ 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 6758 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #3 R4L, Elmgrovegnome, Horny Mcbae liked this post R4L wrote:So i really don't care for the Rams picks this season. They call him trader Les but sometimes trading down for a bunch of 6th round picks isn't the way to go imo. I know guys like Peters, Talib and Cooks are part of this draft, but i will consider it a great off-season if and when Peters and Cooks re-sign. So i decided to look up Snead's draft record on picks. The Redskins trade was supposed to stock this team well into the future but there are only Brockers and Donald left to show for it. This is all my opinion so some may disagree. Looking forward to your comments.2012GoodBrockersJenkinsJohnsonZuerleinBadQuickPeadWatkinsA.BrownD.Richardson2013GoodOgletreeMcDonaldBadAustinBaileyB. JonesMcGeeStacey2014GoodDonaldJoynerGainesBadRobinsonMasonAlexanderGilbertVan DykBryantSamRhaney2015GoodGurleyHavensteinBrownMannionHagerBadDonnalSasserWichmannIfedi2016GoodGoffHigbeeHemingway?ThomasBadForrest2017GoodEverett?KuppJohnsonReynoldsEbukamSmart?BadRogersThe guys with question marks are unknowns at this point but are still on the roster.It;s too soon to do 2017. Or 2016. Counting back from 2015, I don't think we know enough to count Mannion. So I put him with unknowns. For 2014 picks, Alexander played for a year under Wms, and was graded well, but did not fit Wade's scheme. That's not on Snead. That's a system fit issue. So I count him as a hit. 2013, I don't count Bailey against them...he got shot. Has nothing to do with Snead. So I don't count him either way. I don 't count Austin as a bad pick. He was productive in his role as an offensive weapon, and until 2017 on special teams too. In terms of just hits and misses, that's a hit. If you're going to go beyond hits and misses and grade picks, then you mark Austin down for not living up to high first round value. But that;s a different issue. So I come up with this. Doing just 2012-15, and not counting Bailey either way, it's: Hits: 15Misses or unknowns: 20That's a hit percentage of 42.8%. I have done this kind of thing before where I compare the Rams raw basic hit percentage to known good drafting teams. Here's what I've found. Below 20% is just plain awful.Below 30% is poor. Average hit rate is 30% to mid 30s. High 30s edging up to 40% is above average, approaching good. Good hit rate is 40% to high 40s. 50% is very rare and is exceptional.In addition to having a hit rate in the 40s, if you;re just going to grade them, you have to consider these things. * Austin was picked too high for what his real role was. Robinson was a bust, and a 2nd pick bust has to count against you. * Very few teams in all of NFL history have accomplished the following or anything like it--picked an offensive rookie of the year who became an offensive player of the year, picked a defensive rookie of the year who became a defensive player of the year, picked a qb who was a solid pro bowler in his 2nd season. (I didn't do hit percentage on the 2016 draft but now in this part of the discussion, it;s fair to count Goff.) Off the top of my head, I would say that was like the Steelers in 69-72, when in 4 drafts with high picks, they got Joe Greene, Bradshaw, and Harris. Some people say, well, the Rams picked high a lot. Okay. But. Virtually every team has picked high at some point in its history. But very few teams that picked high scored that way, like the Rams did in 2014-2016. 3 by snackdaddy 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 9631 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Snead draft hits and misses POST #4 dieterbrock, phoenixrising, RamsFanSince82 and 1 others liked this post When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all. 4 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #5 snackdaddy wrote:When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all.Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime by /zn/ 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 6758 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #6 dieterbrock, Elmgrovegnome liked this post snackdaddy wrote:When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all.So if a team is better than average at finding lower round picks who can play, they are drafting above the norm. 2 by BobCarl 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 4283 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Snead draft hits and misses POST #7 R4L wrote: Snead's draft record on picksI heard that Snead did a great job drafting in Atlanta, before joining the Ramsdoes anyone have the good vs bad info from his Atlanta days? ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by Elvis 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Snead draft hits and misses POST #8 dieterbrock, RedAlice, Horny Mcbae liked this post I definitely think you have to do a pre Fisher and post Fisher analysis. With the Rams there's a high level of collaboration between the HC and GM so it's pretty hard to analyze Snead independent of the HC he's working for/with.You also have to consider what we did with some of our picks: Got Sammy Watkins for a year, got Marcus Peters, got Brandin Cooks, got Aquib Talib.In the end the only metric that really matters is wins and losses. If they're winning, they're doing it right... RFU Season Ticket Holder 3 by R4L 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR dieterbrock liked this post dieterbrock wrote:Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. 1 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #10 R4L liked this post R4L wrote:.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. A side note, Snead is also very good at UDFAs with 13 still in the league.Well IMO, anyone who is criticizing the Rams draft (or any team for that matter), isn't really criticizing the players chosen as much as they are complaining that the team didn't take players they prefer. Only time will tell if the team got it right.I definitely like our 1st round pick, Cooks.... 1 Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 63 posts Mar 28 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by snackdaddy 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 9631 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Snead draft hits and misses POST #4 dieterbrock, phoenixrising, RamsFanSince82 and 1 others liked this post When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all. 4 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #5 snackdaddy wrote:When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all.Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime by /zn/ 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 6758 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #6 dieterbrock, Elmgrovegnome liked this post snackdaddy wrote:When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all.So if a team is better than average at finding lower round picks who can play, they are drafting above the norm. 2 by BobCarl 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 4283 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Snead draft hits and misses POST #7 R4L wrote: Snead's draft record on picksI heard that Snead did a great job drafting in Atlanta, before joining the Ramsdoes anyone have the good vs bad info from his Atlanta days? ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by Elvis 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Snead draft hits and misses POST #8 dieterbrock, RedAlice, Horny Mcbae liked this post I definitely think you have to do a pre Fisher and post Fisher analysis. With the Rams there's a high level of collaboration between the HC and GM so it's pretty hard to analyze Snead independent of the HC he's working for/with.You also have to consider what we did with some of our picks: Got Sammy Watkins for a year, got Marcus Peters, got Brandin Cooks, got Aquib Talib.In the end the only metric that really matters is wins and losses. If they're winning, they're doing it right... RFU Season Ticket Holder 3 by R4L 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR dieterbrock liked this post dieterbrock wrote:Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. 1 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #10 R4L liked this post R4L wrote:.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. A side note, Snead is also very good at UDFAs with 13 still in the league.Well IMO, anyone who is criticizing the Rams draft (or any team for that matter), isn't really criticizing the players chosen as much as they are complaining that the team didn't take players they prefer. Only time will tell if the team got it right.I definitely like our 1st round pick, Cooks.... 1 Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 63 posts Mar 28 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #5 snackdaddy wrote:When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all.Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime by /zn/ 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 6758 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #6 dieterbrock, Elmgrovegnome liked this post snackdaddy wrote:When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all.So if a team is better than average at finding lower round picks who can play, they are drafting above the norm. 2 by BobCarl 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 4283 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Snead draft hits and misses POST #7 R4L wrote: Snead's draft record on picksI heard that Snead did a great job drafting in Atlanta, before joining the Ramsdoes anyone have the good vs bad info from his Atlanta days? ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by Elvis 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Snead draft hits and misses POST #8 dieterbrock, RedAlice, Horny Mcbae liked this post I definitely think you have to do a pre Fisher and post Fisher analysis. With the Rams there's a high level of collaboration between the HC and GM so it's pretty hard to analyze Snead independent of the HC he's working for/with.You also have to consider what we did with some of our picks: Got Sammy Watkins for a year, got Marcus Peters, got Brandin Cooks, got Aquib Talib.In the end the only metric that really matters is wins and losses. If they're winning, they're doing it right... RFU Season Ticket Holder 3 by R4L 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR dieterbrock liked this post dieterbrock wrote:Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. 1 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #10 R4L liked this post R4L wrote:.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. A side note, Snead is also very good at UDFAs with 13 still in the league.Well IMO, anyone who is criticizing the Rams draft (or any team for that matter), isn't really criticizing the players chosen as much as they are complaining that the team didn't take players they prefer. Only time will tell if the team got it right.I definitely like our 1st round pick, Cooks.... 1 Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 63 posts Mar 28 2024
by /zn/ 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 6758 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #6 dieterbrock, Elmgrovegnome liked this post snackdaddy wrote:When grading overall drafts I always felt including late rounders is a moot point. How many GM's hit a lot on day 3 picks? Most those guys don't end up good NFL players. A few turn out ok, some round out the depth chart and some don't make it at all.So if a team is better than average at finding lower round picks who can play, they are drafting above the norm. 2 by BobCarl 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 4283 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Snead draft hits and misses POST #7 R4L wrote: Snead's draft record on picksI heard that Snead did a great job drafting in Atlanta, before joining the Ramsdoes anyone have the good vs bad info from his Atlanta days? ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by Elvis 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Snead draft hits and misses POST #8 dieterbrock, RedAlice, Horny Mcbae liked this post I definitely think you have to do a pre Fisher and post Fisher analysis. With the Rams there's a high level of collaboration between the HC and GM so it's pretty hard to analyze Snead independent of the HC he's working for/with.You also have to consider what we did with some of our picks: Got Sammy Watkins for a year, got Marcus Peters, got Brandin Cooks, got Aquib Talib.In the end the only metric that really matters is wins and losses. If they're winning, they're doing it right... RFU Season Ticket Holder 3 by R4L 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR dieterbrock liked this post dieterbrock wrote:Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. 1 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #10 R4L liked this post R4L wrote:.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. A side note, Snead is also very good at UDFAs with 13 still in the league.Well IMO, anyone who is criticizing the Rams draft (or any team for that matter), isn't really criticizing the players chosen as much as they are complaining that the team didn't take players they prefer. Only time will tell if the team got it right.I definitely like our 1st round pick, Cooks.... 1 Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 63 posts Mar 28 2024
by BobCarl 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 4283 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Snead draft hits and misses POST #7 R4L wrote: Snead's draft record on picksI heard that Snead did a great job drafting in Atlanta, before joining the Ramsdoes anyone have the good vs bad info from his Atlanta days? ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by Elvis 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Snead draft hits and misses POST #8 dieterbrock, RedAlice, Horny Mcbae liked this post I definitely think you have to do a pre Fisher and post Fisher analysis. With the Rams there's a high level of collaboration between the HC and GM so it's pretty hard to analyze Snead independent of the HC he's working for/with.You also have to consider what we did with some of our picks: Got Sammy Watkins for a year, got Marcus Peters, got Brandin Cooks, got Aquib Talib.In the end the only metric that really matters is wins and losses. If they're winning, they're doing it right... RFU Season Ticket Holder 3 by R4L 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR dieterbrock liked this post dieterbrock wrote:Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. 1 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #10 R4L liked this post R4L wrote:.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. A side note, Snead is also very good at UDFAs with 13 still in the league.Well IMO, anyone who is criticizing the Rams draft (or any team for that matter), isn't really criticizing the players chosen as much as they are complaining that the team didn't take players they prefer. Only time will tell if the team got it right.I definitely like our 1st round pick, Cooks.... 1 Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 63 posts Mar 28 2024
by Elvis 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Snead draft hits and misses POST #8 dieterbrock, RedAlice, Horny Mcbae liked this post I definitely think you have to do a pre Fisher and post Fisher analysis. With the Rams there's a high level of collaboration between the HC and GM so it's pretty hard to analyze Snead independent of the HC he's working for/with.You also have to consider what we did with some of our picks: Got Sammy Watkins for a year, got Marcus Peters, got Brandin Cooks, got Aquib Talib.In the end the only metric that really matters is wins and losses. If they're winning, they're doing it right... RFU Season Ticket Holder 3 by R4L 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR dieterbrock liked this post dieterbrock wrote:Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. 1 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #10 R4L liked this post R4L wrote:.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. A side note, Snead is also very good at UDFAs with 13 still in the league.Well IMO, anyone who is criticizing the Rams draft (or any team for that matter), isn't really criticizing the players chosen as much as they are complaining that the team didn't take players they prefer. Only time will tell if the team got it right.I definitely like our 1st round pick, Cooks.... 1 Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 63 posts Mar 28 2024
by R4L 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Snead draft hits and misses POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR dieterbrock liked this post dieterbrock wrote:Agreed.I find it hard to consider anything after a 3rd rounder to be a miss.I also don't know how to judge the hit/misses from the Fisher era, because of the offensive incompetence of that regime.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. 1 by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #10 R4L liked this post R4L wrote:.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. A side note, Snead is also very good at UDFAs with 13 still in the league.Well IMO, anyone who is criticizing the Rams draft (or any team for that matter), isn't really criticizing the players chosen as much as they are complaining that the team didn't take players they prefer. Only time will tell if the team got it right.I definitely like our 1st round pick, Cooks.... 1 Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 63 posts Mar 28 2024
by dieterbrock 5 years 10 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Snead draft hits and misses POST #10 R4L liked this post R4L wrote:.I just included them because some complained that i didn't calculate the whole draft. And i included last year's draft because Kupp and Johnson were big hits imo. It's just for fun. A side note, Snead is also very good at UDFAs with 13 still in the league.Well IMO, anyone who is criticizing the Rams draft (or any team for that matter), isn't really criticizing the players chosen as much as they are complaining that the team didn't take players they prefer. Only time will tell if the team got it right.I definitely like our 1st round pick, Cooks.... 1 Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business