by Hacksaw_64 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #1 TOPIC AUTHOR Numbers without perspective.This is why trusting your eyes and first hand experience is often light years better than reading a stat line.Way too many reporters"experts" make this mistake imo. They report on stats lines without actually even watching the tape.The stat game, fantasy football and the emergence of PFF has changed how we view or mis-view the game.There's a ton of misinformation and bad source data from the start.Just a brief example because I don't have the time to go into detail into this now.PFF gives every OL a graded performance the day after a game. Without knowing there blocking assignments..First I question there staffs ability to actually watch all of that tape on every single play on every single NFL lineman backwards forwards and slo mo and then grade and post results in 12 hours...Then be able to do it without knowing the play call or assignments?Impossible. Preposterous. False data.Then every hack reporter uses PFF as there source data to write articles on the games they never actually watched...Plus add in there given agendas...RediculousBe advised. trust your eyes.Or Ryan Tannehill is clearly better than Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Carr, Prescott and Mariota and should be an instant first ballot HoF candidate... by moklerman 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #2 I agree that the lesson is to use all avenues of information to help form your "opinion". With your Tannehill example, I think it could work the other way too. He isn't the greatest or better than some of the other names, but the numbers do indicate he may not be as bad as people think. The numbers point to that possibility and if one is so inclined, perhaps reason to investigate further than what his reputation is.Even then, it becomes difficult at times to actually know what's going on. Fans are burdened with that lack of information in most cases. We really don't know if the receiver ran the wrong route, read the coverage differently than the QB, the QB made a bad read or just didn't see a defender, or a million other things.So, stats are generally where we have to start to give us a relative glimpse of what's going on. If one player has 40 TD's and the other has 17 TD's, you sort of have to assume it's relative. But it generally isn't. Since there isn't a true common ground though, you have to accept the difference to a large degree.I'm sure there are many QB's who would be as successful as Brady if they'd been playing in NE under the same exact circumstances. by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #3 BuiltRamTough, Rams the Legends live on liked this post The only value in statistics is knowing how to value statistics. Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. 2 by PARAM 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 12185 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #4 ramsrams wrote:The only value in statistics is knowing how to value statistics. Absolutely!! And it varies from sport to sport. I believe with MLB, statistics tell a much better story than NFL football. Just so many variables with football. For QB play.....did the OL block well? Did the receivers run good routes? Did they get open? What was the situation and how did the defense defend it? That's all before the individual effort of the the QB.....did he call the proper protection, make the right read, execute a good throw? Cumulative stats indicate some things but collectively paint a better picture. Incomplete but better. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by aeneas1 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #5 well if you ask fisher statistics certainly don't tell the truth... according to him ranking dead last in just about every meaningful offensive measurable was meaningless, instead the rams offense had indeed improved, and had continued to improve.Jeff Fisher wrote:You can take the 32nd in the league and write all you want about it," Fisher said. "But this offense is improving.in other news, kind of a straw man article. by dieterbrock 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #6 Rams the Legends live on liked this post I think they absolutely tell truth, in fact its not debatable. Fact is that Tannehill has thrown for the 3rd highest total of passing yards in a players 1st 4 seasons. That is truly a fact.Now the interpretation of stats/factual information? That is a whole nuther conversation. 1 by TomSlick 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2907 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Many of us know the feeling of the universe conspiring to bring car and driver together. Superstar Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #7 Rams the Legends live on liked this post My statistics tell me I'm a middle-aged, slow white guy, who has lost in the neighborhood of 20 steps and Mexican Jumping Beans clear more air than I can. Yeah, I think stats are pretty accurate. Old race cars and the men and women who piloted these beasts are covered in Vintage Motorsport magazine. The eras covered are about 1900 to the year 2010 or so. Great writing and photography. 1 by Elvis 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #8 Hacksaw_64 liked this post Stats may not tell the whole story but that doesn't mean they don't tell any of the story.And though the eye ball test is a good one, sometimes my eyeballs tell me the better team lost, yet they still get the L... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by Rams the Legends live on 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1987 Joined: Aug 26 2015 Colorado Springs Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #9 I tend to like stats more in life than I do the eye ball test. As stats are usually less emotion driven than the eye. However not always the case.As the eye pertains to football usually every Monday we can find out how folks feel about this as some post or opining is made how the Ref's missed a call or made a bad one. So in a imperfect world with imperfect people seeking perfection. Football has added the challenge of instant replay to be a check and balance against the eye.The eye ball also fails every team at some point and some teams worse than others. The eye also ends up costing teams millions of dollars. The way the eye does this is draft picks. Teams will draft a player based upon what the have seen and sometimes the eye is accurate and sometimes horribly wrong. Stats don't fair much better at times. Because even like the framing of your question " Do statistics actually tell the truth about football?"The question seeks a definitive from the subjective. So the answer for each will of course be subjective based upon the prism of each.If something is a absolute truth, I would say the eye and the statistic bear witness to each other. For example if I jump out of a window absent a parachute a rope or some kind of security device. The stats say I am gonna go splat and anyone watching is gonna see me go splat.The eye and the stat can also bear witness in football and when it does that person usually ends up in the hall of fame. However stats can oft be misleading because they can be used subjectively from a emotional standpoint. They can be used to affirm or deny based upon the preconceived notion of the user.So in the end I myself tend to like stats as they usually are less emotional than the eye. However there is no denying that stats can be used to make a emotional argument.So leads me to believe as in this case the case of your question seeking absolute, such as the truth is. Seeking it from amongst the subjective. It leads me to conclude that stats and the eye are both nothing more than a tool. An a tool is only as good as the hands that wield it. Some hands can make a master piece while other hands can make a mess with both using the same tool. by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #10 Great post Legend!I think its fair to say one of the beautiful things about sport is that the statistically best team doesn't always win. If not influenenced by incompetent officiating, there's just something up-lifting about an underdog playing above their heads on a particular day. As far as the eyeball test goes, when it comes to the Rams sometimes, its not like my eyes deceive me, its just that most of the rest of you are wrong. Hey, don't know how you can be a fan of a team without bias. Its bias just making that choice.And I am a bit of a stats nerd. For example, back in the day, I couldn't wait to read the two week old game summaries in "The Sporting News". Jim Bertelson had 11 carries for 34 yards. It meant something, not sure what, but something.It's certainly not my intention to denigrate statistics. I do have an understanding of the subject. Regression to the mean means a bigger number, half the time, for example. That's not generally understood by people who didn't have the opportunity to study the subject like I was lucky enough to have.Though I can't think of any " a Rabbi, a Priest, and a Statistician walk into a bar" jokes right now!What are the chances of that? Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 19 posts Mar 28 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by moklerman 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #2 I agree that the lesson is to use all avenues of information to help form your "opinion". With your Tannehill example, I think it could work the other way too. He isn't the greatest or better than some of the other names, but the numbers do indicate he may not be as bad as people think. The numbers point to that possibility and if one is so inclined, perhaps reason to investigate further than what his reputation is.Even then, it becomes difficult at times to actually know what's going on. Fans are burdened with that lack of information in most cases. We really don't know if the receiver ran the wrong route, read the coverage differently than the QB, the QB made a bad read or just didn't see a defender, or a million other things.So, stats are generally where we have to start to give us a relative glimpse of what's going on. If one player has 40 TD's and the other has 17 TD's, you sort of have to assume it's relative. But it generally isn't. Since there isn't a true common ground though, you have to accept the difference to a large degree.I'm sure there are many QB's who would be as successful as Brady if they'd been playing in NE under the same exact circumstances. by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #3 BuiltRamTough, Rams the Legends live on liked this post The only value in statistics is knowing how to value statistics. Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. 2 by PARAM 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 12185 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #4 ramsrams wrote:The only value in statistics is knowing how to value statistics. Absolutely!! And it varies from sport to sport. I believe with MLB, statistics tell a much better story than NFL football. Just so many variables with football. For QB play.....did the OL block well? Did the receivers run good routes? Did they get open? What was the situation and how did the defense defend it? That's all before the individual effort of the the QB.....did he call the proper protection, make the right read, execute a good throw? Cumulative stats indicate some things but collectively paint a better picture. Incomplete but better. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by aeneas1 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #5 well if you ask fisher statistics certainly don't tell the truth... according to him ranking dead last in just about every meaningful offensive measurable was meaningless, instead the rams offense had indeed improved, and had continued to improve.Jeff Fisher wrote:You can take the 32nd in the league and write all you want about it," Fisher said. "But this offense is improving.in other news, kind of a straw man article. by dieterbrock 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #6 Rams the Legends live on liked this post I think they absolutely tell truth, in fact its not debatable. Fact is that Tannehill has thrown for the 3rd highest total of passing yards in a players 1st 4 seasons. That is truly a fact.Now the interpretation of stats/factual information? That is a whole nuther conversation. 1 by TomSlick 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2907 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Many of us know the feeling of the universe conspiring to bring car and driver together. Superstar Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #7 Rams the Legends live on liked this post My statistics tell me I'm a middle-aged, slow white guy, who has lost in the neighborhood of 20 steps and Mexican Jumping Beans clear more air than I can. Yeah, I think stats are pretty accurate. Old race cars and the men and women who piloted these beasts are covered in Vintage Motorsport magazine. The eras covered are about 1900 to the year 2010 or so. Great writing and photography. 1 by Elvis 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #8 Hacksaw_64 liked this post Stats may not tell the whole story but that doesn't mean they don't tell any of the story.And though the eye ball test is a good one, sometimes my eyeballs tell me the better team lost, yet they still get the L... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by Rams the Legends live on 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1987 Joined: Aug 26 2015 Colorado Springs Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #9 I tend to like stats more in life than I do the eye ball test. As stats are usually less emotion driven than the eye. However not always the case.As the eye pertains to football usually every Monday we can find out how folks feel about this as some post or opining is made how the Ref's missed a call or made a bad one. So in a imperfect world with imperfect people seeking perfection. Football has added the challenge of instant replay to be a check and balance against the eye.The eye ball also fails every team at some point and some teams worse than others. The eye also ends up costing teams millions of dollars. The way the eye does this is draft picks. Teams will draft a player based upon what the have seen and sometimes the eye is accurate and sometimes horribly wrong. Stats don't fair much better at times. Because even like the framing of your question " Do statistics actually tell the truth about football?"The question seeks a definitive from the subjective. So the answer for each will of course be subjective based upon the prism of each.If something is a absolute truth, I would say the eye and the statistic bear witness to each other. For example if I jump out of a window absent a parachute a rope or some kind of security device. The stats say I am gonna go splat and anyone watching is gonna see me go splat.The eye and the stat can also bear witness in football and when it does that person usually ends up in the hall of fame. However stats can oft be misleading because they can be used subjectively from a emotional standpoint. They can be used to affirm or deny based upon the preconceived notion of the user.So in the end I myself tend to like stats as they usually are less emotional than the eye. However there is no denying that stats can be used to make a emotional argument.So leads me to believe as in this case the case of your question seeking absolute, such as the truth is. Seeking it from amongst the subjective. It leads me to conclude that stats and the eye are both nothing more than a tool. An a tool is only as good as the hands that wield it. Some hands can make a master piece while other hands can make a mess with both using the same tool. by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #10 Great post Legend!I think its fair to say one of the beautiful things about sport is that the statistically best team doesn't always win. If not influenenced by incompetent officiating, there's just something up-lifting about an underdog playing above their heads on a particular day. As far as the eyeball test goes, when it comes to the Rams sometimes, its not like my eyes deceive me, its just that most of the rest of you are wrong. Hey, don't know how you can be a fan of a team without bias. Its bias just making that choice.And I am a bit of a stats nerd. For example, back in the day, I couldn't wait to read the two week old game summaries in "The Sporting News". Jim Bertelson had 11 carries for 34 yards. It meant something, not sure what, but something.It's certainly not my intention to denigrate statistics. I do have an understanding of the subject. Regression to the mean means a bigger number, half the time, for example. That's not generally understood by people who didn't have the opportunity to study the subject like I was lucky enough to have.Though I can't think of any " a Rabbi, a Priest, and a Statistician walk into a bar" jokes right now!What are the chances of that? Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 19 posts Mar 28 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #3 BuiltRamTough, Rams the Legends live on liked this post The only value in statistics is knowing how to value statistics. Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. 2 by PARAM 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 12185 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #4 ramsrams wrote:The only value in statistics is knowing how to value statistics. Absolutely!! And it varies from sport to sport. I believe with MLB, statistics tell a much better story than NFL football. Just so many variables with football. For QB play.....did the OL block well? Did the receivers run good routes? Did they get open? What was the situation and how did the defense defend it? That's all before the individual effort of the the QB.....did he call the proper protection, make the right read, execute a good throw? Cumulative stats indicate some things but collectively paint a better picture. Incomplete but better. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by aeneas1 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #5 well if you ask fisher statistics certainly don't tell the truth... according to him ranking dead last in just about every meaningful offensive measurable was meaningless, instead the rams offense had indeed improved, and had continued to improve.Jeff Fisher wrote:You can take the 32nd in the league and write all you want about it," Fisher said. "But this offense is improving.in other news, kind of a straw man article. by dieterbrock 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #6 Rams the Legends live on liked this post I think they absolutely tell truth, in fact its not debatable. Fact is that Tannehill has thrown for the 3rd highest total of passing yards in a players 1st 4 seasons. That is truly a fact.Now the interpretation of stats/factual information? That is a whole nuther conversation. 1 by TomSlick 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2907 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Many of us know the feeling of the universe conspiring to bring car and driver together. Superstar Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #7 Rams the Legends live on liked this post My statistics tell me I'm a middle-aged, slow white guy, who has lost in the neighborhood of 20 steps and Mexican Jumping Beans clear more air than I can. Yeah, I think stats are pretty accurate. Old race cars and the men and women who piloted these beasts are covered in Vintage Motorsport magazine. The eras covered are about 1900 to the year 2010 or so. Great writing and photography. 1 by Elvis 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #8 Hacksaw_64 liked this post Stats may not tell the whole story but that doesn't mean they don't tell any of the story.And though the eye ball test is a good one, sometimes my eyeballs tell me the better team lost, yet they still get the L... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by Rams the Legends live on 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1987 Joined: Aug 26 2015 Colorado Springs Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #9 I tend to like stats more in life than I do the eye ball test. As stats are usually less emotion driven than the eye. However not always the case.As the eye pertains to football usually every Monday we can find out how folks feel about this as some post or opining is made how the Ref's missed a call or made a bad one. So in a imperfect world with imperfect people seeking perfection. Football has added the challenge of instant replay to be a check and balance against the eye.The eye ball also fails every team at some point and some teams worse than others. The eye also ends up costing teams millions of dollars. The way the eye does this is draft picks. Teams will draft a player based upon what the have seen and sometimes the eye is accurate and sometimes horribly wrong. Stats don't fair much better at times. Because even like the framing of your question " Do statistics actually tell the truth about football?"The question seeks a definitive from the subjective. So the answer for each will of course be subjective based upon the prism of each.If something is a absolute truth, I would say the eye and the statistic bear witness to each other. For example if I jump out of a window absent a parachute a rope or some kind of security device. The stats say I am gonna go splat and anyone watching is gonna see me go splat.The eye and the stat can also bear witness in football and when it does that person usually ends up in the hall of fame. However stats can oft be misleading because they can be used subjectively from a emotional standpoint. They can be used to affirm or deny based upon the preconceived notion of the user.So in the end I myself tend to like stats as they usually are less emotional than the eye. However there is no denying that stats can be used to make a emotional argument.So leads me to believe as in this case the case of your question seeking absolute, such as the truth is. Seeking it from amongst the subjective. It leads me to conclude that stats and the eye are both nothing more than a tool. An a tool is only as good as the hands that wield it. Some hands can make a master piece while other hands can make a mess with both using the same tool. by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #10 Great post Legend!I think its fair to say one of the beautiful things about sport is that the statistically best team doesn't always win. If not influenenced by incompetent officiating, there's just something up-lifting about an underdog playing above their heads on a particular day. As far as the eyeball test goes, when it comes to the Rams sometimes, its not like my eyes deceive me, its just that most of the rest of you are wrong. Hey, don't know how you can be a fan of a team without bias. Its bias just making that choice.And I am a bit of a stats nerd. For example, back in the day, I couldn't wait to read the two week old game summaries in "The Sporting News". Jim Bertelson had 11 carries for 34 yards. It meant something, not sure what, but something.It's certainly not my intention to denigrate statistics. I do have an understanding of the subject. Regression to the mean means a bigger number, half the time, for example. That's not generally understood by people who didn't have the opportunity to study the subject like I was lucky enough to have.Though I can't think of any " a Rabbi, a Priest, and a Statistician walk into a bar" jokes right now!What are the chances of that? Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 19 posts Mar 28 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by PARAM 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 12185 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #4 ramsrams wrote:The only value in statistics is knowing how to value statistics. Absolutely!! And it varies from sport to sport. I believe with MLB, statistics tell a much better story than NFL football. Just so many variables with football. For QB play.....did the OL block well? Did the receivers run good routes? Did they get open? What was the situation and how did the defense defend it? That's all before the individual effort of the the QB.....did he call the proper protection, make the right read, execute a good throw? Cumulative stats indicate some things but collectively paint a better picture. Incomplete but better. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by aeneas1 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #5 well if you ask fisher statistics certainly don't tell the truth... according to him ranking dead last in just about every meaningful offensive measurable was meaningless, instead the rams offense had indeed improved, and had continued to improve.Jeff Fisher wrote:You can take the 32nd in the league and write all you want about it," Fisher said. "But this offense is improving.in other news, kind of a straw man article. by dieterbrock 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #6 Rams the Legends live on liked this post I think they absolutely tell truth, in fact its not debatable. Fact is that Tannehill has thrown for the 3rd highest total of passing yards in a players 1st 4 seasons. That is truly a fact.Now the interpretation of stats/factual information? That is a whole nuther conversation. 1 by TomSlick 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2907 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Many of us know the feeling of the universe conspiring to bring car and driver together. Superstar Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #7 Rams the Legends live on liked this post My statistics tell me I'm a middle-aged, slow white guy, who has lost in the neighborhood of 20 steps and Mexican Jumping Beans clear more air than I can. Yeah, I think stats are pretty accurate. Old race cars and the men and women who piloted these beasts are covered in Vintage Motorsport magazine. The eras covered are about 1900 to the year 2010 or so. Great writing and photography. 1 by Elvis 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #8 Hacksaw_64 liked this post Stats may not tell the whole story but that doesn't mean they don't tell any of the story.And though the eye ball test is a good one, sometimes my eyeballs tell me the better team lost, yet they still get the L... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by Rams the Legends live on 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1987 Joined: Aug 26 2015 Colorado Springs Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #9 I tend to like stats more in life than I do the eye ball test. As stats are usually less emotion driven than the eye. However not always the case.As the eye pertains to football usually every Monday we can find out how folks feel about this as some post or opining is made how the Ref's missed a call or made a bad one. So in a imperfect world with imperfect people seeking perfection. Football has added the challenge of instant replay to be a check and balance against the eye.The eye ball also fails every team at some point and some teams worse than others. The eye also ends up costing teams millions of dollars. The way the eye does this is draft picks. Teams will draft a player based upon what the have seen and sometimes the eye is accurate and sometimes horribly wrong. Stats don't fair much better at times. Because even like the framing of your question " Do statistics actually tell the truth about football?"The question seeks a definitive from the subjective. So the answer for each will of course be subjective based upon the prism of each.If something is a absolute truth, I would say the eye and the statistic bear witness to each other. For example if I jump out of a window absent a parachute a rope or some kind of security device. The stats say I am gonna go splat and anyone watching is gonna see me go splat.The eye and the stat can also bear witness in football and when it does that person usually ends up in the hall of fame. However stats can oft be misleading because they can be used subjectively from a emotional standpoint. They can be used to affirm or deny based upon the preconceived notion of the user.So in the end I myself tend to like stats as they usually are less emotional than the eye. However there is no denying that stats can be used to make a emotional argument.So leads me to believe as in this case the case of your question seeking absolute, such as the truth is. Seeking it from amongst the subjective. It leads me to conclude that stats and the eye are both nothing more than a tool. An a tool is only as good as the hands that wield it. Some hands can make a master piece while other hands can make a mess with both using the same tool. by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #10 Great post Legend!I think its fair to say one of the beautiful things about sport is that the statistically best team doesn't always win. If not influenenced by incompetent officiating, there's just something up-lifting about an underdog playing above their heads on a particular day. As far as the eyeball test goes, when it comes to the Rams sometimes, its not like my eyes deceive me, its just that most of the rest of you are wrong. Hey, don't know how you can be a fan of a team without bias. Its bias just making that choice.And I am a bit of a stats nerd. For example, back in the day, I couldn't wait to read the two week old game summaries in "The Sporting News". Jim Bertelson had 11 carries for 34 yards. It meant something, not sure what, but something.It's certainly not my intention to denigrate statistics. I do have an understanding of the subject. Regression to the mean means a bigger number, half the time, for example. That's not generally understood by people who didn't have the opportunity to study the subject like I was lucky enough to have.Though I can't think of any " a Rabbi, a Priest, and a Statistician walk into a bar" jokes right now!What are the chances of that? Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 19 posts Mar 28 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by aeneas1 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #5 well if you ask fisher statistics certainly don't tell the truth... according to him ranking dead last in just about every meaningful offensive measurable was meaningless, instead the rams offense had indeed improved, and had continued to improve.Jeff Fisher wrote:You can take the 32nd in the league and write all you want about it," Fisher said. "But this offense is improving.in other news, kind of a straw man article. by dieterbrock 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #6 Rams the Legends live on liked this post I think they absolutely tell truth, in fact its not debatable. Fact is that Tannehill has thrown for the 3rd highest total of passing yards in a players 1st 4 seasons. That is truly a fact.Now the interpretation of stats/factual information? That is a whole nuther conversation. 1 by TomSlick 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2907 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Many of us know the feeling of the universe conspiring to bring car and driver together. Superstar Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #7 Rams the Legends live on liked this post My statistics tell me I'm a middle-aged, slow white guy, who has lost in the neighborhood of 20 steps and Mexican Jumping Beans clear more air than I can. Yeah, I think stats are pretty accurate. Old race cars and the men and women who piloted these beasts are covered in Vintage Motorsport magazine. The eras covered are about 1900 to the year 2010 or so. Great writing and photography. 1 by Elvis 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #8 Hacksaw_64 liked this post Stats may not tell the whole story but that doesn't mean they don't tell any of the story.And though the eye ball test is a good one, sometimes my eyeballs tell me the better team lost, yet they still get the L... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by Rams the Legends live on 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1987 Joined: Aug 26 2015 Colorado Springs Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #9 I tend to like stats more in life than I do the eye ball test. As stats are usually less emotion driven than the eye. However not always the case.As the eye pertains to football usually every Monday we can find out how folks feel about this as some post or opining is made how the Ref's missed a call or made a bad one. So in a imperfect world with imperfect people seeking perfection. Football has added the challenge of instant replay to be a check and balance against the eye.The eye ball also fails every team at some point and some teams worse than others. The eye also ends up costing teams millions of dollars. The way the eye does this is draft picks. Teams will draft a player based upon what the have seen and sometimes the eye is accurate and sometimes horribly wrong. Stats don't fair much better at times. Because even like the framing of your question " Do statistics actually tell the truth about football?"The question seeks a definitive from the subjective. So the answer for each will of course be subjective based upon the prism of each.If something is a absolute truth, I would say the eye and the statistic bear witness to each other. For example if I jump out of a window absent a parachute a rope or some kind of security device. The stats say I am gonna go splat and anyone watching is gonna see me go splat.The eye and the stat can also bear witness in football and when it does that person usually ends up in the hall of fame. However stats can oft be misleading because they can be used subjectively from a emotional standpoint. They can be used to affirm or deny based upon the preconceived notion of the user.So in the end I myself tend to like stats as they usually are less emotional than the eye. However there is no denying that stats can be used to make a emotional argument.So leads me to believe as in this case the case of your question seeking absolute, such as the truth is. Seeking it from amongst the subjective. It leads me to conclude that stats and the eye are both nothing more than a tool. An a tool is only as good as the hands that wield it. Some hands can make a master piece while other hands can make a mess with both using the same tool. by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #10 Great post Legend!I think its fair to say one of the beautiful things about sport is that the statistically best team doesn't always win. If not influenenced by incompetent officiating, there's just something up-lifting about an underdog playing above their heads on a particular day. As far as the eyeball test goes, when it comes to the Rams sometimes, its not like my eyes deceive me, its just that most of the rest of you are wrong. Hey, don't know how you can be a fan of a team without bias. Its bias just making that choice.And I am a bit of a stats nerd. For example, back in the day, I couldn't wait to read the two week old game summaries in "The Sporting News". Jim Bertelson had 11 carries for 34 yards. It meant something, not sure what, but something.It's certainly not my intention to denigrate statistics. I do have an understanding of the subject. Regression to the mean means a bigger number, half the time, for example. That's not generally understood by people who didn't have the opportunity to study the subject like I was lucky enough to have.Though I can't think of any " a Rabbi, a Priest, and a Statistician walk into a bar" jokes right now!What are the chances of that? Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 19 posts Mar 28 2024
by dieterbrock 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #6 Rams the Legends live on liked this post I think they absolutely tell truth, in fact its not debatable. Fact is that Tannehill has thrown for the 3rd highest total of passing yards in a players 1st 4 seasons. That is truly a fact.Now the interpretation of stats/factual information? That is a whole nuther conversation. 1 by TomSlick 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2907 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Many of us know the feeling of the universe conspiring to bring car and driver together. Superstar Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #7 Rams the Legends live on liked this post My statistics tell me I'm a middle-aged, slow white guy, who has lost in the neighborhood of 20 steps and Mexican Jumping Beans clear more air than I can. Yeah, I think stats are pretty accurate. Old race cars and the men and women who piloted these beasts are covered in Vintage Motorsport magazine. The eras covered are about 1900 to the year 2010 or so. Great writing and photography. 1 by Elvis 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #8 Hacksaw_64 liked this post Stats may not tell the whole story but that doesn't mean they don't tell any of the story.And though the eye ball test is a good one, sometimes my eyeballs tell me the better team lost, yet they still get the L... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by Rams the Legends live on 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1987 Joined: Aug 26 2015 Colorado Springs Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #9 I tend to like stats more in life than I do the eye ball test. As stats are usually less emotion driven than the eye. However not always the case.As the eye pertains to football usually every Monday we can find out how folks feel about this as some post or opining is made how the Ref's missed a call or made a bad one. So in a imperfect world with imperfect people seeking perfection. Football has added the challenge of instant replay to be a check and balance against the eye.The eye ball also fails every team at some point and some teams worse than others. The eye also ends up costing teams millions of dollars. The way the eye does this is draft picks. Teams will draft a player based upon what the have seen and sometimes the eye is accurate and sometimes horribly wrong. Stats don't fair much better at times. Because even like the framing of your question " Do statistics actually tell the truth about football?"The question seeks a definitive from the subjective. So the answer for each will of course be subjective based upon the prism of each.If something is a absolute truth, I would say the eye and the statistic bear witness to each other. For example if I jump out of a window absent a parachute a rope or some kind of security device. The stats say I am gonna go splat and anyone watching is gonna see me go splat.The eye and the stat can also bear witness in football and when it does that person usually ends up in the hall of fame. However stats can oft be misleading because they can be used subjectively from a emotional standpoint. They can be used to affirm or deny based upon the preconceived notion of the user.So in the end I myself tend to like stats as they usually are less emotional than the eye. However there is no denying that stats can be used to make a emotional argument.So leads me to believe as in this case the case of your question seeking absolute, such as the truth is. Seeking it from amongst the subjective. It leads me to conclude that stats and the eye are both nothing more than a tool. An a tool is only as good as the hands that wield it. Some hands can make a master piece while other hands can make a mess with both using the same tool. by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #10 Great post Legend!I think its fair to say one of the beautiful things about sport is that the statistically best team doesn't always win. If not influenenced by incompetent officiating, there's just something up-lifting about an underdog playing above their heads on a particular day. As far as the eyeball test goes, when it comes to the Rams sometimes, its not like my eyes deceive me, its just that most of the rest of you are wrong. Hey, don't know how you can be a fan of a team without bias. Its bias just making that choice.And I am a bit of a stats nerd. For example, back in the day, I couldn't wait to read the two week old game summaries in "The Sporting News". Jim Bertelson had 11 carries for 34 yards. It meant something, not sure what, but something.It's certainly not my intention to denigrate statistics. I do have an understanding of the subject. Regression to the mean means a bigger number, half the time, for example. That's not generally understood by people who didn't have the opportunity to study the subject like I was lucky enough to have.Though I can't think of any " a Rabbi, a Priest, and a Statistician walk into a bar" jokes right now!What are the chances of that? Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 19 posts Mar 28 2024
by TomSlick 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2907 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Many of us know the feeling of the universe conspiring to bring car and driver together. Superstar Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #7 Rams the Legends live on liked this post My statistics tell me I'm a middle-aged, slow white guy, who has lost in the neighborhood of 20 steps and Mexican Jumping Beans clear more air than I can. Yeah, I think stats are pretty accurate. Old race cars and the men and women who piloted these beasts are covered in Vintage Motorsport magazine. The eras covered are about 1900 to the year 2010 or so. Great writing and photography. 1 by Elvis 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #8 Hacksaw_64 liked this post Stats may not tell the whole story but that doesn't mean they don't tell any of the story.And though the eye ball test is a good one, sometimes my eyeballs tell me the better team lost, yet they still get the L... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by Rams the Legends live on 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1987 Joined: Aug 26 2015 Colorado Springs Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #9 I tend to like stats more in life than I do the eye ball test. As stats are usually less emotion driven than the eye. However not always the case.As the eye pertains to football usually every Monday we can find out how folks feel about this as some post or opining is made how the Ref's missed a call or made a bad one. So in a imperfect world with imperfect people seeking perfection. Football has added the challenge of instant replay to be a check and balance against the eye.The eye ball also fails every team at some point and some teams worse than others. The eye also ends up costing teams millions of dollars. The way the eye does this is draft picks. Teams will draft a player based upon what the have seen and sometimes the eye is accurate and sometimes horribly wrong. Stats don't fair much better at times. Because even like the framing of your question " Do statistics actually tell the truth about football?"The question seeks a definitive from the subjective. So the answer for each will of course be subjective based upon the prism of each.If something is a absolute truth, I would say the eye and the statistic bear witness to each other. For example if I jump out of a window absent a parachute a rope or some kind of security device. The stats say I am gonna go splat and anyone watching is gonna see me go splat.The eye and the stat can also bear witness in football and when it does that person usually ends up in the hall of fame. However stats can oft be misleading because they can be used subjectively from a emotional standpoint. They can be used to affirm or deny based upon the preconceived notion of the user.So in the end I myself tend to like stats as they usually are less emotional than the eye. However there is no denying that stats can be used to make a emotional argument.So leads me to believe as in this case the case of your question seeking absolute, such as the truth is. Seeking it from amongst the subjective. It leads me to conclude that stats and the eye are both nothing more than a tool. An a tool is only as good as the hands that wield it. Some hands can make a master piece while other hands can make a mess with both using the same tool. by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #10 Great post Legend!I think its fair to say one of the beautiful things about sport is that the statistically best team doesn't always win. If not influenenced by incompetent officiating, there's just something up-lifting about an underdog playing above their heads on a particular day. As far as the eyeball test goes, when it comes to the Rams sometimes, its not like my eyes deceive me, its just that most of the rest of you are wrong. Hey, don't know how you can be a fan of a team without bias. Its bias just making that choice.And I am a bit of a stats nerd. For example, back in the day, I couldn't wait to read the two week old game summaries in "The Sporting News". Jim Bertelson had 11 carries for 34 yards. It meant something, not sure what, but something.It's certainly not my intention to denigrate statistics. I do have an understanding of the subject. Regression to the mean means a bigger number, half the time, for example. That's not generally understood by people who didn't have the opportunity to study the subject like I was lucky enough to have.Though I can't think of any " a Rabbi, a Priest, and a Statistician walk into a bar" jokes right now!What are the chances of that? Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 19 posts Mar 28 2024
by Elvis 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 38377 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #8 Hacksaw_64 liked this post Stats may not tell the whole story but that doesn't mean they don't tell any of the story.And though the eye ball test is a good one, sometimes my eyeballs tell me the better team lost, yet they still get the L... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by Rams the Legends live on 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1987 Joined: Aug 26 2015 Colorado Springs Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #9 I tend to like stats more in life than I do the eye ball test. As stats are usually less emotion driven than the eye. However not always the case.As the eye pertains to football usually every Monday we can find out how folks feel about this as some post or opining is made how the Ref's missed a call or made a bad one. So in a imperfect world with imperfect people seeking perfection. Football has added the challenge of instant replay to be a check and balance against the eye.The eye ball also fails every team at some point and some teams worse than others. The eye also ends up costing teams millions of dollars. The way the eye does this is draft picks. Teams will draft a player based upon what the have seen and sometimes the eye is accurate and sometimes horribly wrong. Stats don't fair much better at times. Because even like the framing of your question " Do statistics actually tell the truth about football?"The question seeks a definitive from the subjective. So the answer for each will of course be subjective based upon the prism of each.If something is a absolute truth, I would say the eye and the statistic bear witness to each other. For example if I jump out of a window absent a parachute a rope or some kind of security device. The stats say I am gonna go splat and anyone watching is gonna see me go splat.The eye and the stat can also bear witness in football and when it does that person usually ends up in the hall of fame. However stats can oft be misleading because they can be used subjectively from a emotional standpoint. They can be used to affirm or deny based upon the preconceived notion of the user.So in the end I myself tend to like stats as they usually are less emotional than the eye. However there is no denying that stats can be used to make a emotional argument.So leads me to believe as in this case the case of your question seeking absolute, such as the truth is. Seeking it from amongst the subjective. It leads me to conclude that stats and the eye are both nothing more than a tool. An a tool is only as good as the hands that wield it. Some hands can make a master piece while other hands can make a mess with both using the same tool. by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #10 Great post Legend!I think its fair to say one of the beautiful things about sport is that the statistically best team doesn't always win. If not influenenced by incompetent officiating, there's just something up-lifting about an underdog playing above their heads on a particular day. As far as the eyeball test goes, when it comes to the Rams sometimes, its not like my eyes deceive me, its just that most of the rest of you are wrong. Hey, don't know how you can be a fan of a team without bias. Its bias just making that choice.And I am a bit of a stats nerd. For example, back in the day, I couldn't wait to read the two week old game summaries in "The Sporting News". Jim Bertelson had 11 carries for 34 yards. It meant something, not sure what, but something.It's certainly not my intention to denigrate statistics. I do have an understanding of the subject. Regression to the mean means a bigger number, half the time, for example. That's not generally understood by people who didn't have the opportunity to study the subject like I was lucky enough to have.Though I can't think of any " a Rabbi, a Priest, and a Statistician walk into a bar" jokes right now!What are the chances of that? Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 19 posts Mar 28 2024
by Rams the Legends live on 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1987 Joined: Aug 26 2015 Colorado Springs Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #9 I tend to like stats more in life than I do the eye ball test. As stats are usually less emotion driven than the eye. However not always the case.As the eye pertains to football usually every Monday we can find out how folks feel about this as some post or opining is made how the Ref's missed a call or made a bad one. So in a imperfect world with imperfect people seeking perfection. Football has added the challenge of instant replay to be a check and balance against the eye.The eye ball also fails every team at some point and some teams worse than others. The eye also ends up costing teams millions of dollars. The way the eye does this is draft picks. Teams will draft a player based upon what the have seen and sometimes the eye is accurate and sometimes horribly wrong. Stats don't fair much better at times. Because even like the framing of your question " Do statistics actually tell the truth about football?"The question seeks a definitive from the subjective. So the answer for each will of course be subjective based upon the prism of each.If something is a absolute truth, I would say the eye and the statistic bear witness to each other. For example if I jump out of a window absent a parachute a rope or some kind of security device. The stats say I am gonna go splat and anyone watching is gonna see me go splat.The eye and the stat can also bear witness in football and when it does that person usually ends up in the hall of fame. However stats can oft be misleading because they can be used subjectively from a emotional standpoint. They can be used to affirm or deny based upon the preconceived notion of the user.So in the end I myself tend to like stats as they usually are less emotional than the eye. However there is no denying that stats can be used to make a emotional argument.So leads me to believe as in this case the case of your question seeking absolute, such as the truth is. Seeking it from amongst the subjective. It leads me to conclude that stats and the eye are both nothing more than a tool. An a tool is only as good as the hands that wield it. Some hands can make a master piece while other hands can make a mess with both using the same tool. by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #10 Great post Legend!I think its fair to say one of the beautiful things about sport is that the statistically best team doesn't always win. If not influenenced by incompetent officiating, there's just something up-lifting about an underdog playing above their heads on a particular day. As far as the eyeball test goes, when it comes to the Rams sometimes, its not like my eyes deceive me, its just that most of the rest of you are wrong. Hey, don't know how you can be a fan of a team without bias. Its bias just making that choice.And I am a bit of a stats nerd. For example, back in the day, I couldn't wait to read the two week old game summaries in "The Sporting News". Jim Bertelson had 11 carries for 34 yards. It meant something, not sure what, but something.It's certainly not my intention to denigrate statistics. I do have an understanding of the subject. Regression to the mean means a bigger number, half the time, for example. That's not generally understood by people who didn't have the opportunity to study the subject like I was lucky enough to have.Though I can't think of any " a Rabbi, a Priest, and a Statistician walk into a bar" jokes right now!What are the chances of that? Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 19 posts Mar 28 2024
by ramsrams 7 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1176 Joined: Feb 06 2016 Mississauga, ON Pro Bowl Do statistics actually tell the truth about football? POST #10 Great post Legend!I think its fair to say one of the beautiful things about sport is that the statistically best team doesn't always win. If not influenenced by incompetent officiating, there's just something up-lifting about an underdog playing above their heads on a particular day. As far as the eyeball test goes, when it comes to the Rams sometimes, its not like my eyes deceive me, its just that most of the rest of you are wrong. Hey, don't know how you can be a fan of a team without bias. Its bias just making that choice.And I am a bit of a stats nerd. For example, back in the day, I couldn't wait to read the two week old game summaries in "The Sporting News". Jim Bertelson had 11 carries for 34 yards. It meant something, not sure what, but something.It's certainly not my intention to denigrate statistics. I do have an understanding of the subject. Regression to the mean means a bigger number, half the time, for example. That's not generally understood by people who didn't have the opportunity to study the subject like I was lucky enough to have.Though I can't think of any " a Rabbi, a Priest, and a Statistician walk into a bar" jokes right now!What are the chances of that? Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room. Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business